Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Beedok, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. LouisTheGreyFox The Hyperactive Furry Historian

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    Quite frankly I didn't even realize it was even propaganda until you pointed it out. Either way I felt it should be posted here in this thread quite frankly.
     
  2. Chris S Member

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  3. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    Shoot, you're right. Somehow I missed that.

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    Fixed
     
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  4. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    Also, here's Bulgaria's territorial ambitions for the first world war, in both qbam and worlda versions.
     
  5. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    Is there a bigger version of this? I would like to be able to read the text.
     
  6. Christory Well-Known Member

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    Somewhere there is, I’ve seen it before. It explains in the fine print that it’s what they thought Germany wanted it’s sphere of influence to be, not what it literally wanted to annex.
     
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  7. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    Found it.

    The full-size map is actually too large for me to be able to link to it directly, but it can be found here.
     
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  8. stevej713 Well-Known Member

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    "The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire-building!"

    "George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front."

    "Oh, no sir, absolutely not. [aside] Mad as a bicycle!"
     
  9. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    shall we assume that the enclosed part of Arabia is some kind of Bedouin reservation? :p
     
  10. Chris S Member

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    Looks good. But...No southern Sudan either? Because South Sudan would have been a part of Sudan in 1914
     
  11. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    Basically, yeah : P

    According to that video from eternity ago, it's unlikely the very Islamic Ottoman empire would want to absorb a Christian and Animist region like that. Whether they would gain independence or be handed over to Germany, it's hard to say. They never really got far enough to decide.
     
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  12. Chris S Member

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    That video sounds interesting but that doesn't sound right. Because southern Sudan during that period was doubtfully that Christian-heavy (I would imagine that it was a mix of traditional religions and Christianity) and in any case Georgia and Armenia were likely far more Christian-heavy than southern Sudan (and far more organized). If they could be vassalized, I see no reason why the Ottomans would not want to retain southern Sudan, which at the outbreak of the war was already technically Ottoman since it was a part of Egypt and Egypt was de jure a part of the Ottoman realm. They might leave the south to its own devices, but still retain control over it since it was technically already theirs and because it enabled control over some of the sources of Nile and of a greater stretch of the Nile system (which is vital to Egypt).
     
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  13. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    Makes a lot of sense.

    Of course, all of this is assuming that the already declining empire could sustain control over all this land.
     
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  14. Chris S Member

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    Quite true
     
  15. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    Trialism was a proposal to turn the Austro-Hungarian Empire from bipartite to tripartite, where the slavs would have their own state on equal footing with the Germans and Hungarians. Franz Ferdinand promoted the idea as a way to end slavic dissent in the empire. Serbians saw this as a threat to their dream of a united Slavic state and the Hungarians saw it as a way to liberate many of the minorities within their territory.
     
  16. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    Though at least that last one cited its sources.
     
  17. Wendell Wendell

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    Do you have a source for this? I figured a division like this, if it were a real proposal, would have kept Syrmia with the united South Slavic state....
     
  18. Mr. Bubbles Well-Known Member

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    https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/trialism

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/4k2o8m/trialist_proposals_for_austriahungarycroatia_from/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trialism_in_Austria-Hungary

    It's entirely possible it would, as there were many different proposed divisions. Although, given how against the idea the Hungarians were, it's really up in the air.
     
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    Interesting ideas all around. I could see something alone the lines of one of these happening had Franz Ferdinand not been assassinated, although I tend to think that the portion remaining Austrian (and Bohemian) would have ended up as part of Germany and Hungary (with Galicia?), and the southern Slav state (Croatia? Illyria?) becoming independent monarchies in the German orbit. Or, he Union might hold. Either possibility is interesting.