Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Beedok, Jun 15, 2014.
See them exclaves?
This isn't a map of Ukraine the country, but where "Ukrainians" are present
Hitler wanted Turkey to relinquish all land claims in the areas he wanted Germany to control, like Crimea and the Caucasus. In exchange, they would get near-total control over the Black Sea. I don't know if Cyprus ever came up in their talks, though. I expected it would.
Somewhat related to the New Order, as it was based on Hitler's views on foreign policy.
Hitler didn't have any open plans for conquering America, nor how it would be divided. He held complicated views on the country, which he always referred to as the "American Union." To him, it was a weak, mongrel nation, due to it being "half Judaized, the other half negrified" and having just coming out of the Great Depression. However, he also applauded the Jim Crow Laws, Eugenics policies, and the nation's industrial accomplishments, which he applied solely to America's German population. Additionally, due to his love of Karl May novels, he declared the Native Americans to be Honorary Aryans. One of Hitler's most infamous long-term ambitions was to bomb the East Coast, with either conventional or even nuclear weapons.
He also felt that America would become Germany's greatest enemy in the future, and that Britain would eventually side with him against the Americans. Even without Nazi Germany, he was certain that "England and America will one day have a war with one another, which will be waged with the greatest hatred imaginable. One of the two countries will have to disappear."
By contrast, Hitler thought very little of Canada, thought he considered it just as "materialistic, racially bastardized, and decadent" as America, and often lumped the two together as being basically the same. Unfavorably, he also described it as "a nation without a people," compared to Germany being "a people without space." German journalist Colin Ross described Canadian society as artificial due to it being composed of many different parts not bound by either blood or long-standing traditions, and thus Canada had no Volk to speak of, with a mechanical and non-organic political system. Canadians were deemed incapable of comprehending true culture, and German immigration in Canada was considered a mistake due to it being an "empty civilization."
Because of all this, Hitler was certain that, with the potential collapse of the British Empire, America would seize the opportunity to annex Canada, a move that the Canadians would welcome.
That's actually extremely interesting (and sort of humorous) to me.
Yeah, that was his actual justification. As a kid, Hitler was a huge fan of Karl May's westerns, which included sympathetic portrayals of Native Americans. He read them to the point where it actually hurt his grades in school. May's novels were actually quite popular in Germany, and many tied the plight of the Native Americans to Germany, with shared ideas of tribalism, nationalism, and kulturkampf.
Hitler later declared that the Sioux, and all Native Americans by extension, were Aryans. Joseph Goebbels was certain that they held no loyalty to the United States and would rebel at the first opportunity. Some ambitions even suggested returning land to them when the United States was finally defeated. This all proved drastically untrue, as many Native American tribes actually declared war on Nazi Germany before the U.S. Government, when they found pro-fascist propaganda being passed around among them.
And the most ironic thing is that May's novels also held sympathetic views of Jews, which Hitler and co. conveniently ignored.
The map grows ever more complete.
Truly a war for the fate of the world.
Unless you live in Brazil.
Are there any maps of the territory that would be returned to the Native Americans?
Don't worry, Brazil was probably going to fight also, after all, the government had an ruler who sort-of-respected and resembled Hitler (Vargas shared his views in communism and did sent the jewish wife of an political enemy to Nazi Germany, where she died in a concentration camp) and the largest japanese population out of Japan, but, at the same time, it had the international policy of being friendly with neighbors and the US (as Brazil was just coming to the industrial era and didn't want to risk its chances) and Hitler considered it possibly a gigantic bread-basket to the Reich in the future, probably involving genocide due to Brazil's population being mostly made of an variety of mostly non-german imigrants, bi-racial people and black people. Brazil was neutral because it was complicated to choose a side (in the end Vargas was so similar to the Fascists that he ended up abandoning office shortly after the war due to unrest between the people), and it choose the Allies because Germany decided that if they couldn't count on them, why not make another enemy and started bombarding brazilian ships in 1942, besides the fact that they had tried to meddle in Brazil's internal affairs for some time
Germany's territory in Africa needs to grow alot considering they claimed all this
Its from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)#Plans_for_an_African_colonial_domain
Their reference is a historical novel but Id have to purchase it to confirm so....
And here we have even more overlapping claims!
there was also this apparent plan for South America
i know there's a Worlda version of this floating around somewhere but i don't have it on-hand
As far as I know the Brits made that up or something. Still interesting though.
Also, that's one of the least aesthetically pleasing Chiles I've ever seen.
Actually, I think this map was fabricated by British Intelligence.
i'm glad i added the qualifier of "apparent" then
Oh yes, I forgot to mention I can't read : P
i mean, i was only half-convinced that it was legit anyway, but Axis South America just looks so lonely
I like how Bolivia gets partitioned and just to stick it to them even more, Argentina is given access to the Pacific via land that was once Bolivian.
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