Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

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  1. Crying Your ideology is shit, SHIIIIIIIIT

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    No, sorry. Such a map might exist, but I don't know about it - I just found those from some quick google searches, after all.
     
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  2. Tanystropheus42 permanently sleep deprived

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    This map's relatively good, even if it is a bit counter-intuitive to get working properly (click on a language and a brief description pops up, and there are overlays for international and administrative borders);
    http://worldmap.harvard.edu/africamap/
     
  3. lordroel Well-Known Member

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    Map: Union of the English-Speaking Peoples (1941)

    Robert E. Sherwood, an American playwright who wrote speeches for President Franklin Delano Roosevelt during World War II saw unity as a way to keep the English-speaking world free of totalitarianism.

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    Writing before the Soviet Union entered the war on the Allied side in 1941, Sherwood feared a prolonged stalemate between Nazi-controlled Europe and the English-speaking free world. Isolated in a largely totalitarian world — “a world in which the term ‘cut-throat competition’ would mean just that” — America’s standards of living would be reduced, he warned readers of Life magazine. A union of the English-speaking peoples promised respite.

    It would have no involvements whatever in the continent of Europe. It would constitute a power of unassailable magnitude, dominating all the oceans; and this power would be in the hands of 200,000,000 people who speak the same language and believe in the same three fundamental things — liberty and justice and peace.
     
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  4. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    a global Anglophone union? doubleplusgood! :p
     
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  5. The British Empire Well-Known Member

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    Why isn't their colonies also added to the union?
     
  6. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

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    They probably would, however they'd likely lack representation in that Union Congress planned for it.
     
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  7. lordroel Well-Known Member

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    Blame the Americans, if the British Empire in total (including all other subdivisions which make up the empire minus Australia, Canada, New Zeeland, Ireland and South Africa) than they would have a population of some 506,000,000 than they would have 1 + 101 delegates in the Union Congress.

    The United States would not bee that stupid, it would lose its voting power in the Union congress, it could claim that as the British Empire is not truly a English speaking entry than only part of it (United Kingdom) is allowed a delegate.
     
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  8. Vuu Resident Serb expert

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    Good idea, but not very practical. Irishmen don't consider themselves Anglo (and as far as I have heard, apparently immigrants started to make fun of them for not even speaking their own language, resulting in an elevated interest). Bigger problem is how spread out everywhere it is, too.
     
  9. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    To be fair, neither did the South Africans or many Canadians, such as the French speakers, Metis, Scots... ahhh, the Americans probably didn't consider themselves English either. Some of the British liked to think of the Americans as being old stock English, but the Germans, Irish, Italians, and Americans-who-loved-the-War-of-Independence did not.
     
  10. lordroel Well-Known Member

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    Well this idea was created by a American who most likely toughed, if i can understand it, then it must be English.
     
  11. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    Presumably that is why the Union is unfairly weighted towards the US, which has more representation than the rest of the state combined.
     
  12. Coyote Knight Witch-King of the Apiary

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    I have also used this in a TL I'm working on.
     
  13. Coyote Knight Witch-King of the Apiary

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    "Anywhere but Europe and the white parts of the Americas."
     
  14. Luminous Headwing Consulting

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    Population wise (grabbing numbers from Wikipedia as more convenient than populstat...)

    United Kingdom+Canada+Australia+New Zealand+South Africa+Ireland = 80,468,900 in 1939.
    United States = 131,028,000 in 1939.

    That's 61.4% of the population vs the US, but with 74.1% of the representation.

    The UK and the other nations are overrepresented in terms of population balance. In order to make the ratios equivalent on population, the UK side of things would need another 16,588,878 people, roughly, as of 1939. So if you start tossing in colonies (the West Indies, the Pacific Colonies, etc0 you get closer, but the ratio still is hard to pan out unless you start including some more African colonies.
     
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  15. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

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    Here are two proposals for a partition of Germany after WW2, both published in TIME Magazine.

    And here's a worlda patch for both of them.

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    EDIT: Slightly changed the left proposal (because the reference map seems to include the Saxon areas west of the Neisse in North Germany, and put the two big maps inside a spoiler.

    EDIT #2: The second proposal was published in LIFE Magazine and not TIME Magazine, thanks @lordroel
     
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  16. lordroel Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, the first one was published in Time Magazine, the second one was published in LIFE magazine.
     
  17. Drex Alférez de caballería

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    Plans for a Basque Colony in Patagonia. Sadly I couldn't find more info
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  18. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    Someone NEEDS to include this in a timeline.
     
  19. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    if i can find enough on it, i just might ;)
     
  20. Drex Alférez de caballería

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