Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Beedok, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. Albidoom Fuzzy Thing

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Location:
    Grand Duchy of Baden
    Also cute how they made Greece-Crete into a China-Taiwan analogue.
     
    Bomster likes this.
  2. Crazy Boris Cool Dood

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2017
    Location:
    Holy Albertan Empire
    ...I get that the artist was probably going for a generic communist symbol there, but I can’t help but picture a Zapatista army in Istanbul with that flag.
     
  3. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

    Joined:
    May 14, 2011
    Location:
    The United Fruit Company, Arkham Office
    Irgun_poster_Erez_Jisrael.jpg

    Aims of the radical right-wing Irgun movement.
     
  4. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2012
    Location:
    The Back of the Car
    Few other countries would have had a rifle as their primary border.
     
  5. Ariosto Populist Republican

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2010
    Location:
    Wakefield, Massachusetts
    Franklin Roosevelt's rather ... peculiar take on what the occupation zones in Germany should be. I think it is fair to point out that these were more generalities that would be fine-tuned, as this is a translation from him drawing a handful of lines on a geographic map of Germany, but it looks bizarre all the same.

    [​IMG]
    It was also a fairly common view that the best manner in which to weaken Germany was to dismantle it through an "Austrian" solution, where the number of separate countries would be created and forever banned from uniting barring the express approval of the Allied Powers. Below is one such proposal to divide Germany into three States posited by Sumner Welles in 1944; this is before the Polish annexations however, so I'm not sure whether Eastern Germany as shown would have remained viable compared to the other two.

    [​IMG]
    Going back to WWI, there was a somewhat similar plan to dismember Germany proposed by Yves Guyot, a French Economist, some time before the war wrapped up. There are differences in where the border of laid certainly, but it generally seems to run with the theme of a South German State, a Central German State, and an Eastern German State. Romania and Bulgaria's borders seems a bit queer as well, though I remember that Romania tried hard to claim a border across the entirety of the Tisza, or in this case Theiss, River.

    [​IMG]
    I mean it is certainly more organized then ... this ...

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Kikkomaan Seasoning your life

    Joined:
    May 8, 2016
    Took a stab at Guyot's proposal.
    [​IMG]

    Sorry it's so small:oops:
     
    Blind, FleetMac, Ariosto and 7 others like this.
  7. Drex Alférez de caballería

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Location:
    Regum Valentiae, Monarchia Hispaniae
    Found it by accident
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2009
    Location:
    County of Mark
    That is one massive Serbia.
     
    Swede likes this.
  9. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2012
    Location:
    The Back of the Car
    No Serbian Krajina? Clearly wimps or traitors made this map. On a side note, I like to think the Ottomans reannexed Bulgaria and Greece in this.
     
    ninel and Bomster like this.
  10. Drex Alférez de caballería

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Location:
    Regum Valentiae, Monarchia Hispaniae
    Antarctic Claims According to the Defrontation Theory
    From west to east: Ecuador (90 W), Peru (81 19 49 W), Chile (80 50 15 W), Argentina (67 16 50 W), Uruguay (56 39 53 W) and Brazil (53 22 10 W to 24 W).
    Defrontation Theory.png
     
    Blind, Charger24, UrbanNight and 6 others like this.
  11. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Location:
    UK, EU (for the moment), Earth
    I had no idea that (other than Chile and Argentina) had any claims to Antarctica.
     
  12. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2012
    Location:
    The Back of the Car
    Defrontation seems to be based on a Spanish term or something. When I googled it the first result was on Antarctic claims. Peru apparently claims they have the rights reserved for land and stewardship over an area, should they decide to make a claim. It links to a Wikipedia page describing it, but it is purely in Spanish. Perhaps the map or map it was based on was made to ridicule the idea.


    https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teoría_de_la_defrontación
     
    Crying likes this.
  13. Vuu Resident Serb expert Banned

    Joined:
    May 11, 2018
    It's extremely difficult to see, but top-right says "Serbia under emperor Dušan" - it includes territories that weren't really controlled legally (the part of Bulgaria, Bosnia and Srem, those were under military occupation, probably included because). Rest of Bulgaria (incl. all of Dobruja) were vassals. Another reason for these inaccuracies (well, not really, depends on what you count as ownership) - the smaller text says "according to a German map from Dušan's period, found in military archive in Pecs" and "Bulgaria is shown as a tributary state"

    So not a war goal, but a historical map. Though we sought to restore those borders, until the governing elite fell for the yugo meme against the recommendations of, like, the entirety of the military who actually ventured into Croatia and saw the mentality there.

    Though we probably will never find out just how much did Dušan manage to conquer and subjugate, our national library got bombed by the nazis deliberately, destroying pretty much probably the only copies of some ancient shit, bits and pieces of which are found in the most random locations (primarily Russia)
     
  14. Chris S Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2005
    I believe the English equivalent would simply be "fronting" or "frontage"
     
  15. Spiritual Sausage Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2014
    [​IMG]
    Map of the Soviet land development projects as planned by Stalin. The canal you see coming from the Amu Darya destroyed the Aral Sea.
     
  16. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Location:
    UK, EU (for the moment), Earth
    Stalin was in favour of "we must build a canal". Regardless of what it took.
     
    Prof_Chemical, Xenophonte and AUGGP like this.
  17. SeaCambrian Alien Space Bat

    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Great propaganda title though, "SOCIALISM BUILDS A NEW WORLD"
     
    Analytical Engine likes this.
  18. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Location:
    UK, EU (for the moment), Earth
    In Soviet Russia, socialism builds you.
     
    Etruscan-enthusiast35 likes this.
  19. ninel Ariana Grande Defence Force

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2009
    Location:
    total shithole
  20. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Location:
    UK, EU (for the moment), Earth