Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Beedok, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. Wendell Wendell

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    The contrasts with the post World War II German states, organized I think on a similar principle, are interesting.
     
  2. Albidoom Fuzzy Thing

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  3. Crying Your ideology is shit, SHIIIIIIIIT

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    Did you link directly to the site's copy of the image? If so, I recommend saving it and putting your own copy up on Imgur.

    Here;
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  4. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    Isn't that genuine?
     
  5. Luminous Headwing Consulting

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    I have... questions... about some of these borders...

    Greece in Sicily? Spain in Sardinia? Revived Papal State? A Serb-Albanian union centered upon Macedonia, believed at the time to be Bulgarian, while the majority of Serbs are located in MittelEuropa?

    And I'd say that the Latvia bugs me, but then I realize this is a German Map and they just drew the border along the Duchy of Courland and included Riga as well.
     
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  6. Umbric Man Umbric Manned

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    Probably thinking of ancient and medieval Greece colonizing and then keeping southern Italy/Sicily Hellenized till the late middle ages.
     
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  7. Luminous Headwing Consulting

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    Well, yes, same as with Aragon in Sardinia, but the Catalan community there is tiny. As for the Greeks, I think the largest community of Greeks would be located in Apulia, which is not granted to Greece, but instead Calabria and Sicily are. Hence the confusion.

    The Logic I fail to see here.. well, maybe that they didn't want to restore an Italian state to challenge the Papacy, but even then there were better choices.
     
  8. Umbric Man Umbric Manned

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    Oh yeah, your points are definitely right - but if this map is crazy-stupid enough with its borders, it's no wonder to me they would try for such flimsy historical justifications.
     
  9. Crying Your ideology is shit, SHIIIIIIIIT

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    In 1844 the Treaty of Whampoa was signed between Qing China and France, which formally gave the French all the privileges the English had gained the year before. However, the French envoy to China, Théodore de Lagrené, had some interesting proposals alongside the commercial part of the treaty which went unaccepted iOTL. These were;
    • Exchange of envoys between China and France, where the French legation shall be situated in Peking. Unfortunately, the Chinese dislike the idea of opening Peking to foreigners (the Legation Quarter in Peking was only established after the 2nd Opium War, in 1861) so this point seems unlikely to be accepted without some significant changes to the situation. The French might be able to get another city that's slightly less politically important, though - perhaps a city gained in the following point?
    • Cessation of the 'Bocca Tigris' to France, so that "France could assist in defence against the English" which the French "shall bear all the cost of defence". I represented this in the map by giving them basically all the coastal land around the Pearl River Delta, but its much more likely that they'd only get a single city like the English and the Portuguese did OTL.
    • China may send some pupils to France, where they shall be trained in French naval academies.

    Source: This post
     
  10. Skallagrim Not the one from YouTube. Different other fellow.

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    It's funny that these pacifists proposed military districts along all external borders.
     
  11. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    He already snagged and reorganized most of the best bits. I imagine Scandinavia would mostly stay the same (Nappy annexed right up to the Danish border, with the side effect that they couldn't even move south) while Finland might go back to the he Swedes, a King for the Baltic, a Grand Duke for Lithuania... I imagine there would be a lot or reorganizing in the Balkans, if he ever got around to wore with the Ottomans again, though after he lost Syria (he left his army behind and didn't tell anyone when he got back to France and got ready for a coup) he might think that area was all a bit embarrassing.
     
  12. Albidoom Fuzzy Thing

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    German pacifists seem to think big (and not necessarily about the practicality of their ideas). Keep in mind that this was also around the time when Herman Sörgel (also a pacifist) thought up Atlantropa.
     
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  13. MountainPuncher A guy who destroys mountains for a living

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    I wonder how this would look like in QBAM or MBAM format.
     
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  14. Skallagrim Not the one from YouTube. Different other fellow.

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    The beautiful part is that the plan hasn't been drawn up using an equirectangular projection, so the answer to your question is invariably going to be "really silly".
     
  15. AUGGP Well-Known Member

    Someone needs to make this now lol
     
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  16. Barry Bull Donor

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    Given that Switzerland did not join UN as a full member until 10 September 2002, neutrality probably is not a good thing on this issue.
     
  17. Barry Bull Donor

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    Which was not well received due to the failures (both real and perceived) of the LoN.
     
  18. Kanan Timeline Raises New and Troubling Questions

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    this made me sad to make. Not 100% accurate, but I did it quickly.

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  19. Spiritual Sausage Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone know if there are any maps of Soviet plans for if they won in the Polish-Soviet War?
     
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  20. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    Actually, does anyone know what the Soviet plans for Poland were in the first place?
     
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