Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Beedok, Jun 15, 2014.
Can somebody recreate this in a QBAM or worlda format please.
This is a fascinating proposal I stumbled across last night. It supposedly shows a Polish proposal for annexation of German territory from December 1944. Now I don't know which Polish group or individual made this proposal but I love how it also includes some territory assigned to the Soviets and Czechoslovakia.
You know what I never see in these maps? Representation of the parts of Quebec that don't want to leave. Like, there are parts of Quebec that don't want to leave and, if it did achieve independence, might separate and either go independent themselves or remain part of Canada.
The Cree and the Inuit in Quebec both overwhelmingly voted against leaving Canada and would, in all likelihood, try to have their territories split off and remain a part of Canada if Quebec got its independence. Supposedly there are plans to push for pre-1912 borders and re-establish the Northwest Territory's Ungava district or a create new territory/province in its place in the case of a successful separation but I can't find any sources for this.
The Mohawk down in the south near the border have stated that, if Quebec leaves, they'll hold their own independence referendum and try to become an official, separate sovereign state apart from them. The fact that their territory partially spills over into the US might mean that they might get American-backed opposition to this, however.
There are people who want to split off the bilingual and non-Francophone parts of Quebec into a new province even without Quebec gaining independence, you can bet these people would try to get these areas to remain part of Canada if Quebec did gain independence. These parts of the province would supposedly be the southwestern and southern portions - comprised of half of Montreal, parts of the Outaouais and the Eastern Townships.
If nobody else makes a map showing this stuff, maybe I will in the future. The partition from William Shaw & Lionel Albert's Partition: The Price of Quebec’s Independence book might be a good basis for it...
A proposal for a Romanian-Hungarian union was given by the chancellor of Weimar Germany, Hermann Muller, in a memo he wrote in the early 1930s. It doesn't seem to have been very well thought out, but there was supposedly a positive attitude towards it in Hungary and a similar proposal was allegedly made by the Hungarian PM, Bethlen Istvan, to Carol II, the king of Romania in 1931. Anyway, the union would;
Protect from a nonexistant 'Slavic menace' (though ironically such a union may very well create one, given the attitudes of the Slavic states at the time towards the idea of a resurgent Hungary)
Follow the model of Sweden-Norway or Austria-Hungary in terms of the unity of two crowns under 1 monarch w/ a shared foreign policy
Solve the Transylvania problem through "complete decentralisation and a perfect administrative autonomy and the successful solving of the minorities issue" (which I chose to represent through extending the Hungarian part of the union to all the Hungarian-majority enclaves in Romania and then making the rest of Transylvania, according to the old AH borders, a seperate state from the rest of Romania)
So, uh, yeah. There you have it. The United Kingdoms of Romania and Hungary or whatever this union would be called. Sorry for the small size.
Source: This post, where the source they gave seems to be down
The non-pro-Quebec areas are surprisingly contiguous and not spread out in terms of districts. I could easily see an Ungava Territory alongside Ottawa and Estrie Provinces. Only Montreal would be an issue and I suppose English-speakers would move out to the said provinces and further Anglicize them.
Are you sure that wasn't meant to be Alberta in yellow?
Nope. Saskatchewan was considering independence plans in the event that Quebec succeeded, though I'm sure Alberta was as well.
I wonder if they would if Canada disintegrate and loose Saskatchewan and Alberta...
The southern half of Quebec voting Non and then potentially joining he USA in an independence scenario makes me think of Super Troopers 2
Aside from that "Slavic menace" bullshit, this really appeals to me. Solving disputes involving ethnic minorities via total decentralism is guaranteed to get me on board.
Here's a 1919 proposal for the reorganization of Germany after the Treaty of Versailles. The goal was to create fourteen Free States with comparable populations and a shared culture. It was mostly shut down due to opposition by most German states.
Anything with an independent Rhineland, Berlin and Silesia gets a like from me
I mean they're not independent... It's federal states and interwar Germany just had a weird fascination with the term free state (only Baden, Hesse, and Württemberg, as well as the three Hanseatic city states didn't use it).
I just took the term reorganization the wrong way is all.
this makes me wonder: were there any projected aims for what the rest of Europe would look like if Napoleon won in the long run?
It's interesting how close this is to the post WWII Lander boundaries.
Not sure it's a viable state.
The third one reminds me of an old MadTV sketch.
On the left is the Benedetti Treaty, a proposal made by Napoleon III which essentially said "in exchange for us remaining neutral in the Austro-Prussian War we want your permission to annex/support in annexing Belgium and Luxembourg, while we'll also support your unification with the southern German states". Bismarck put off responding to it and then later pulled out a copy of it during the beginning of the Franco-Prussian War to turn public opinion in the rest of Europe against France. Here I display a Europe in which this was accepted, while also having a Bavaria with autonomy inside Germany because why not.
On the right is an offer Napoleon III supposedly made at the end of the Franco-Prussian War where France would give Germany Indochina in exchange for keeping Alsace-Lorraine. Unfortunately for France, both Bismarck and the southern states he was trying to annex were much more interested in gaining Germany A-L than a colony half way across the world in OTL.
This is pretty interesting and makes me wonder if Bismarck and Napoleon III would go on to form an alliance of some kind. I'd love to see a TL where the German and 2nd French Empire fight a World War against Britain and Russia.
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