So, Germans? Like, there's basically no major differences between the average Bavarian and the average Austrian, and a Bavarian would in fact have more in common with someone from Vienna than someone from Berlin.
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Yeah, I know. But Austria is still a distinct state, and that state has a distinct political identity. One could also discuss Jordanians relative to Syrians, or Liechtensteiners relative to the Swiss or Austrians, if one wanted to (which I do not, and will not).
This is getting off-topic. Székelyland Autonomism is a "Proposal That Didn't Happen." The semantics of Székely identity relative to the Hungarians is irrelevant -- both to this thread, and to us both, since neither of us are Székely and it's not really our place to taxonomise a foreign culture.
Bless you, truly. Though alas, would be better seeing this map with some more borders, if only to see the size a bit better. I got confused thinking it was for Oldenburg, then Hanover, the Oldenburg again. My own fault for getting two excited and bouncing around the text while reading. And really, not surprising perhaps that he thought he could get large chunks of land for himself, given how Baden doubled in size from the lands of smaller states and the ruler of Oldenburg was related closely to the Danish and Ruddian Royal families. I do wonder if that was part of how the Russians upended up with Jever for a bit... Alas for them, they ended up surrounded by kingdoms, and having given up their claims to Holstein limited rooms for future expansion. Again, bravo on this post. Reminds me of how Totenkoz (the name of whoever used to show all those maximum Axis claims maps) used to make.
Totentanz's thoroughness when it comes to sourcing his maps is something I've always greatly appreciated. And yes, I myself have spent quite a few hours thinking about how Oldenburg could have fared in different scenarios. For example, since all of Peter I.'s sons were fighting in the Napoleonic Wars, there was the distinct possibility that he too would die without an heir. Which would have meant finding a replacement ruler for the territory. If that would have involved a series of land swaps to get Russia Holstein or if Oldenburg could have been given to Gustav, Prince of Vasa, the former Swedish crown prince, would be feasible scenarios.
Personally I'm already quite amazed that Oldenburg got out of the direct disputes it had with Hannover quite favorably. I found this map by accident, from a small historical atlas specificially on the history of Oldenburg.
The areas marked with blue Arabic numerals from 1 to 6 as well as the area marked with the Roman numeral III were disputed with Hannover around the time of the Congress, and you can also see Grolland marked with 13, which Oldenburg was also hoping to get back.
And, while I don't know all the details, the basic gist regarding Jever was that it was a possession of the Principality of Anhalt-Zerbst, and when its ruling prince Friedrich August died in 1793, due to different inheritance laws, it went to his sister... Catherine the Great.
Personally I'm already quite amazed that Oldenburg got out of the direct disputes it had with Hannover quite favorably. I found this map by accident, from a small historical atlas specificially on the history of Oldenburg.
The areas marked with blue Arabic numerals from 1 to 6 as well as the area marked with the Roman numeral III were disputed with Hannover around the time of the Congress, and you can also see Grolland marked with 13, which Oldenburg was also hoping to get back.
And, while I don't know all the details, the basic gist regarding Jever was that it was a possession of the Principality of Anhalt-Zerbst, and when its ruling prince Friedrich August died in 1793, due to different inheritance laws, it went to his sister... Catherine the Great.
Found this map of a proposal for a reorganised HRE, this time called the "Holy German Empire".
To be fair, the website seems pretty old and shady, it belongs to someone called Rolf Jehke. In fact, one can even write to him via E-mail.
So it seems like the proposal was made anonymously by Friedrich Majer, in a book called "Vorschläge zur Güte bei der Wiederherstellung Deutschlands Germanien". Which you can find on the website and on his German wikipedia article.
To be fair, the website seems pretty old and shady, it belongs to someone called Rolf Jehke. In fact, one can even write to him via E-mail.
So it seems like the proposal was made anonymously by Friedrich Majer, in a book called "Vorschläge zur Güte bei der Wiederherstellung Deutschlands Germanien". Which you can find on the website and on his German wikipedia article.
Some of these borders are wild. Mecklenburg in Rhineland and the southwest really is something.
Hanover giving up most of the original Lüneburg and gaining Westphalia is also interesting.
I do wonder which Mecklenburg gets which of those areas along the Rhine. Going to be rather an upgrade for one of them.
Aren't both getting a pretty big upgrade?
I would imagine Schwerin gets Cöln and Strelitz gets Düsseldorf since the larger one should get the large.
It is rather minor compared to some of the other border changes made to apparently keep as many noble families in Germany as once (though maybe slightly less weird if the ma truly did come from the Napoleonic Wars. Or worse, to have so many small states left). And of course there is the issue of Switzerland keeping the areas Italians seized and Denmark keeping Holstein.
I mentioned southwest, Bavaria's new extension kinda counts.
Edit: I also wonder what the red borders mean, Reichskreise?
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Well, the actual region of Mecklenburg would probably remain the same, just as a Prussian province.
Meanwhile 2 Rhenish Mecklenburgs would just carry the dynastic title.
Considering it's Mecklenburg...
Literally any other region in Germany would be considered a plus. That is to say if the dynasties don't ruin their new lands with their archaic laws that OTL Mecklenburg region was ridiculed for.
Well that and northeastern Germany just in general has in comparison bad soil.
Sadly couldn't find the reason on why some borders are red.
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Pretty sure Thuringia and Fulda are in a separate circle from Saxony, Anhalt and Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel.
Didn't it actually happen for a few years, but was later abolished?, I very much recall reading about an autonomous Székely region existing for a few years during Communist rule in the late 1950s and early 1960s, and some Q-BAM maps on this very forum depict the region as autonomous during this era, but I cannot find information about it online as of now.
Edit: Found it, it existed from 1952 to 1968, and was called the Magyar Autonomous Region, instead of Székely Autonomous Region.
Magyar Autonomous Region - Wikipedia
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Mandela effect perhaps, I kinda feel like I have encountered the same situation as you. At least when it comes to maps.
Not Mandela effect, I found it, it existed from 1952 to 1968, and was called the Magyar Autonomous Region, instead of Székely Autonomous Region.
Magyar Autonomous Region - Wikipedia
To be fair, the virtually all of the land and the Magyars in that autonomous region were Szekely for centuries and they did get categories differently from Pannonian Magyars/Hungarians until Austria reconquered Hungary from Austria and the Hungarian nobility started to abolish the autonomous areas within Transylvania that had been independent for during the Ottoman era.
Székely Land - Wikipedia
Hmm, a 'Greater Belgium' as a Neo-Burgundian state.
That is a new one, I think.