Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

How did I miss this for so long...
Interestingly enough, Charles IV (though I wonder if this was actually his writing or if it was something some of the Argentine envoys in Europe wrote for him to accept) refers to the lands to be made into this United Kingdom as only including Cuzco, Puno and Arequipa, despite the name of the kingdom including "Perú" in it.
For reference, this would mean only the lands southeast of the red line would become part of the kingdom:
1718938044322.png

I can't remember right now but I believe these three were the most pro-revolution regions of Peru so it would make sense for them to be included.
 
How did I miss this for so long...
Interestingly enough, Charles IV (though I wonder if this was actually his writing or if it was something some of the Argentine envoys in Europe wrote for him to accept) refers to the lands to be made into this United Kingdom as only including Cuzco, Puno and Arequipa, despite the name of the kingdom including "Perú" in it.
For reference, this would mean only the lands southeast of the red line would become part of the kingdom:
View attachment 913502
I can't remember right now but I believe these three were the most pro-revolution regions of Peru so it would make sense for them to be included.
I wonder what did Fernando VII thought about his father, ex-king dividing up his kingdom as if he still had any control over anything
 
I wonder what did Fernando VII thought about his father, ex-king dividing up his kingdom as if he still had any control over anything
If it is indeed authentic, he probably disregarded it completely. Charles was living outside of Spain at the time and was very old anyway. Fernando remained keen on regaining his American possessions his whole life (Spain didn't begin recognizing the independence of the former Spanish colonies until Isabel II's reign)
 
That is one hell of a country territorially and comports nicely with the idea of an independent monarchist Uruguay as a buffer between La Plata and Brazil.
 
View attachment 814448


In 2007, a group of Native American activists (mostly Sioux) asserted that, since the United States had violated the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie, they were within their legal rights to declare independence. The Republic of Lakotah would include all Sioux reservations, including Standing Rock, as well as the Black Hills (including Mt Rushmore/Six Grandfathers). This proposal is controversial among American Indians, however, since it has the approval of no tribal governments or representatives. It is also controversial even amongst more radical Indian activists who might want an independent state, because it was proposed by Russell Means -- a libertarian who proposed that it be organised around free market principles, adhere to the gold standard, and would collect no nationwide taxes. Many American Indian activists (such as those who protested the Dakota Access Pipeline) lean leftist, and advocate for stricter environmental standards, not deregulation. Means seems sort of like a "sovereign citizen" type, tbh, and he has the support of similar movements (like the Alaskan Independence Party and the Second Vermont Republic -- neither of which are Indian, but both of which are libertarian).
Decided to make an accurate WorldA patch for Lakotah:
Republic of Lakotah (2007).png
 
"A map from the collections of the Library of Congress in Washington, showing two different proposals for international borders for the resurgent Polish state, as suggested by the German historian Hans Delbrück. The map shows the territorial scope of the new Polish state together with Lithuania and White Russia (Belarus)."

Some of the maps of all time, certainly.
350_eXrqUWR.jpg
351_lnepHTW.jpg
 
View attachment 910758
Apparently, according to the wikipedia article about Alsace-Lorraine, Bismark proposed that Switzerland should receive Alsace-Lorraine:
Just imagine if Switzerland became a buffer-state between France and Germany, preventing them from bordering each other. It'd be like Belgium, but actually defendable.
...well, at least OTL Switzerland would be. Alsace-Lorraine is beyond the mountains, and the people there would still be want to be a part of either France or Germany. I can only see this being disastrous for Switzerland in the long-term.
 
mapofrahmatplan-jpg.740174


Map of Dinia -- "Land of the Faith (Din)" -- the first proposal for a Muslim polity in India. Choudhry Rahmat Ali proposed that India & Dinia would be a plurinational federation, like "Austria-Hungary," "Czechoslovakia," etc etc. Dinia would be comprised of all those regions in India and Ceylon which either had a majority-Muslim population; were ruled by Muslim princes; or both -- including a region called "Pakistan" (another word he made up; an acronym for the Muslim-majority region in the northeastern part of the country). India & Dinia would have close parity in population and would be geographically intertwined, making interdependence necessary; and while Hindus might dominate the House of Commons of the independent South Asian federation, Muslim and other minority princes would be more represented in the House of Lords, and would thereby prevent marginalisation. Or so the theory went, anyway.

As time wore on, issues between the Hindu and Muslim communities got hotter. Eventually the Khilafat Movement (which called for the revival of the Islamic Caliphate after it was abolished by Atatürk; and also for greater Muslim autonomism) was subsumed by the Pakistan Movement (which held that South Asian Muslims were a nation, and were owed a liberal, Westphalian nation-state). If things had gone differently, though, there could have been an Indian Federation comprised of two co-equal states: India & Dinia, the latter of which might have been the seat of a revived Islamic caliphate.

This proposal interests me, though -- it's an alternative to Partition and the endless conflict between India and Pakistan. I'm not sure it would work, but as an Urdu-speaking Muslim with family in South Asia (on both sides of the border), it intrigues me. It could be a way to protect Muslims from marginalisation without the population exchanges and so on. I don't think that all the communal violence was necessary or inevitable -- after all, the British had ruled a united India for decades. I like this idea, though I acknowledge I am biased.
 
1920px-Czech_corridor_proposal.svg.png


The Czech Corridor, or Czechoslovak Corridor was a proposal floated at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. It would have carved out a corridor between Austria and Hungary, in order to link up the young Slavic states of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. Czechoslovak representatives proposed that the corridor would be administered jointly with Yugoslavia; however, Yugoslav representatives said that they would rather Czechoslovakia assume all responsibility for the corridor. However, Yugoslavia still supported the creation of the corridor -- especially the Croats, as it would bring the Burgenland Croats under Yugoslav/pan-Slavic protection. The plan was rejected, however, on the principle of self-determination (the majority of the corridor's inhabitants were still either Austro-German or Hungarian), and because it went against the interests of Yugoslavia's rival, Italy.

(also yes, I know that it was technically "the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, & Slovenes," but "Yugoslavia" is just an easier name)
 
mapofrahmatplan-jpg.740174


Map of Dinia -- "Land of the Faith (Din)" -- the first proposal for a Muslim polity in India. Choudhry Rahmat Ali proposed that India & Dinia would be a plurinational federation, like "Austria-Hungary," "Czechoslovakia," etc etc. Dinia would be comprised of all those regions in India and Ceylon which either had a majority-Muslim population; were ruled by Muslim princes; or both -- including a region called "Pakistan" (another word he made up; an acronym for the Muslim-majority region in the northeastern part of the country). India & Dinia would have close parity in population and would be geographically intertwined, making interdependence necessary; and while Hindus might dominate the House of Commons of the independent South Asian federation, Muslim and other minority princes would be more represented in the House of Lords, and would thereby prevent marginalisation. Or so the theory went, anyway.

As time wore on, issues between the Hindu and Muslim communities got hotter. Eventually the Khilafat Movement (which called for the revival of the Islamic Caliphate after it was abolished by Atatürk; and also for greater Muslim autonomism) was subsumed by the Pakistan Movement (which held that South Asian Muslims were a nation, and were owed a liberal, Westphalian nation-state). If things had gone differently, though, there could have been an Indian Federation comprised of two co-equal states: India & Dinia, the latter of which might have been the seat of a revived Islamic caliphate.

This proposal interests me, though -- it's an alternative to Partition and the endless conflict between India and Pakistan. I'm not sure it would work, but as an Urdu-speaking Muslim with family in South Asia (on both sides of the border), it intrigues me. It could be a way to protect Muslims from marginalisation without the population exchanges and so on. I don't think that all the communal violence was necessary or inevitable -- after all, the British had ruled a united India for decades. I like this idea, though I acknowledge I am biased.
Don't you mean nortwest? Also the horrific jokes in the ATL world where Bangistan is a nation name and "banging" is also a euphemism for intercourse makes me giggle and cringe.
 
Don't you mean nortwest? Also the horrific jokes in the ATL world where Bangistan is a nation name and "banging" is also a euphemism for intercourse makes me giggle and cringe.
lol yeah I do mean northwest.
Also, yeah -- it even says "Bangistan" is short for "Bang-i-Islamistan." In English it's funny in the way that "Islamabad" sounds like "Islam is bad" but it really means "city of Islam" lol
 
Bni37Z1.png

Confederacy of India proposed by Nawab Shah Nawaz Khan, president of Punjab Muslim League. India would be divided into 5 regional federations, which would be united in a loose confederation.
 
Last edited:
Top