Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread



A purported map of German aims in South America, created by British intelligence to convince America to join World War II.
  • South America ("the United States of South America") would be split into five gaus, the Nazi equivalent of states. The name indicates that all of South America would likely become one nation.
  • Guyana would be become property of the Vichy collaborator government, including not only French Guiana but British Guyana and Suriname as well.
  • New Spain would basically be a new Gran Colombia (Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Panama), including - either under direct or indirect control - the US-owned Panama Canal.
  • Chile on steroids (normal Chile plus Peru and part of Bolivia), with an Argentinian corridor for some reason.
  • Argentina would expand into Paraguay and another part of Bolivia, plus the "Antofagasta corridor".
  • Brazil would take the remainder of Bolivia.
 
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Turkish plans for a Turkish state following WW1. From what I understand, purple territories were for plebiscites.
I was gonna try making this in QBAM but was too lazy to try to get that southern border down.
 
I re-read through this thread the other day and lots of proposals are being brought up again recently, like the Turkish state up above.
 
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Technocracy was a popular social movement in the United States and Canada for a brief period in the early 1930s, before it was overshadowed by other proposals for dealing with the Great Depression. The technocrats proposed replacing politicians and business people with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy.

In a publication from 1938 Technocracy Inc. the main organization made the following statement in defining their proposal.

'Technocracy is the science of social engineering, the scientific operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute goods and services to the entire population of this continent. For the first time in human history it will be done as a scientific, technical, engineering problem. There will be no place for Politics or Politicians, Finance or Financiers, Rackets or Racketeers. Technocracy states that this method of operating the social mechanism of the North American Continent is now mandatory because we have passed from a state of actual scarcity into the present status of potential abundance in which we are now held to an artificial scarcity forced upon us in order to continue a Price System which can distribute goods only by means of a medium of exchange. Technocracy states that price and abundance are incompatible; the greater the abundance the smaller the price. In a real abundance there can be no price at all. Only by abandoning the interfering price control and substituting a scientific method of production and distribution can an abundance be achieved. Technocracy will distribute by means of a certificate of distribution available to every citizen from birth to death. The Technate will encompass the entire American Continent from Panama to the North Pole because the natural resources and the natural boundary of this area make it an independent, self-sustaining geographical unit.'
 
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Technocracy was a popular social movement in the United States and Canada for a brief period in the early 1930s, before it was overshadowed by other proposals for dealing with the Great Depression. The technocrats proposed replacing politicians and business people with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy.

In a publication from 1938 Technocracy Inc. the main organization made the following statement in defining their proposal.
Considering the map was made in 1938, did they want to give the Philippines independence, or did they just neglect to include it in their map?
 

The Central Confederacy was a proposed country that would largely be made up of the mid-Atlantic and slave states that didn't secede from the Union and join the Confederacy. Proposed in a pamphlet entitled The Border States on December 15, 1860 by former Congressman John Kennedy, the idea apparently had some not insignificant support in all the proposed states from politicians, newspapers, etc... but quickly lost popularity after the Confederate States' "peaceful secession" stopped being peaceful with the attack on Fort Sumter.
 
The Central Confederacy was a proposed country that would largely be made up of the mid-Atlantic and slave states that didn't secede from the Union and join the Confederacy. Proposed in a pamphlet entitled The Border States on December 15, 1860 by former Congressman John Kennedy, the idea apparently had some not insignificant support in all the proposed states from politicians, newspapers, etc... but quickly lost popularity after the Confederate States' "peaceful secession" stopped being peaceful with the attack on Fort Sumter.
Assuming the Upper South (MD, VA, KY, MO) cleaved to the CSA in time anyway without the Sumter attack, and the Northwest Confederacy became a thing (maybe taking in the Great Plains states?)... that'd leave New England/USA Proper, the Mid-Atlantic/Central Confederacy, the Midwest/Northwest Confederacy, a potential Greater/all-its-claims CSA, and it'd be easier to make a Pacific States of America from there.

Bonus points if you let time pass and get Deseret, California (outside of the Pacific States), Texas (out of the Confederacy), and *Aztlan/New Mexico (out of the Confederacy/Texas, since locals considered splitting off in 1846) to split off in time as well. Double bonus points if it all happens primarily or even entirely peacefully despite protests.
 
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Actually the Germans didn't take themselves quite serious with that one, it was more of a propaganda 'joke' to lighten the mood and raise the spirits.
 
I always wondered what would happen to the Maritimes in the event of Quebecois independence
No reason they couldn't remain part of Canada. After all Alaska is a part of the USA with Canada sitting between Alaska and the rest of the USA. Hawaii too remains part of the US with a great swathe of the Pacific Ocean between the Islands and the mainland USA.
 
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