Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Besides not being white, they’re also mostly Catholic rather than Protestant, which would have been an issue even going into the mid-20th century.
Made this just now. Note that the original map does include an error, namely that the Alashkert area wasn't Russian in 1914 but rather still Ottoman, but yeah...
EDIT: Changed the subdivision borders and used Soviet red lines to denote the claim level borders.
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They occupied a significant chunk of eastern Anatolia during WW1, but the point of the red, dashed border on the reference map was to show the de jure, international border, not the furthest extension of Russian control.
Catholics were being elected to office, and Ireland was included in this, so,,,
That expansion for Greater Liberia would be enough to basically cover all of Sierra Leone, Upper Guinea, Forested Guinea, and then half of the Ivory Coast. Which, honestly, would probably be what they were going for. The Sassandra River would make a sensible eastern border and would allow for that territorial gain to be easily below the 400,000 sq mi limit, while still allowing Liberia to gain most of Guinea's interior and all of Sierra Leone.
the document might have more solid info but ill be honest its so long and the text is formatted so grossly that my eyes honestly just glaze over, how did you determine the borders? i have no idea how much 400,000mi² is
It's slightly larger than Mauritania, but smaller than Bolivia
For the Americans in the room, it's about Texas and New Mexico put together
There's a wonderful little online thingy called the Area Calculator on the website FreeMapTools.com that's super useful for stuff like this. Really puts the territorial growth into more of a perspective. Though I don't know this sort of state could expand to potentially cover parts of the Britsh Gold Coast colony, at least not if the plan was to only buy the littoral of Ivory Coast...
Also I combed through the source you listed, I tried to do some digging on Theodore G. Bilbo's "Greater Liberia Act" of 1945 and I found that 1) that was a reheated from a 1939 proposal of his, which itself was based on a 1922 proposal to forcibly remove all African-Americans from the State of Mississippi to an expanded Liberia, and 2) that all three of these proposals were supported by UNIA founder Marcus Garvey and the KKK. Because of course.
Sadly I couldn't find any more detail on this on the borders proposed for this state at any point. They always were vague, always presented with the caveat of how much the nearby colonial powers of France, the UK, and potentially Portugal would be willing to sell.
oh SHIT i knew the name bilbo was familiar, im shocked he kept with this idea through 1945 though
and thanks a ton for the site recommendation!
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Two proposals related to the twilight years of Spanish colonial South America:
- The United Kingdom of the Río de la Plata, Peru, and Chile, proposed in 1815
- Princess Carlota Joaquina's (Portuguese-backed) aspirations to become queen of an independent Río de la Plata, 1808-1810