Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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I remember reading a text saying that at some point, the British Empire considered giving the Christian/Traditional African Religion-majority regions of the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (modern-day South Sudan) to Uganda (edit: British East Africa, aka Uganda + Kenya), does anyone knows about this source?
If this happened, it would cause some interesting effects on the region following decolonization, as it would probably butterfly away the Sudanese Civil War as we know it (the Darfur rebellion could perhaps still occur), and make Uganda a much bigger state, which itself comes with its own countless problems.
Edit: Quick anachronistic maps of modern South Sudan + Uganda + Kenya and South Sudan + Uganda as a single state:
If this happened, it would cause some interesting effects on the region following decolonization, as it would probably butterfly away the Sudanese Civil War as we know it (the Darfur rebellion could perhaps still occur), and make Uganda a much bigger state, which itself comes with its own countless problems.
Edit: Quick anachronistic maps of modern South Sudan + Uganda + Kenya and South Sudan + Uganda as a single state:
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From The Role of British Colonial Policy in the South Sudanese Civil War: A Postcolonial Conflict Analysis, by David Lin (2018):
They probably got confused when people started talking about map porn. Eventually you might get pictures of nude people with map tattoos on them...
to be entirely honest i just googled "library of congress eritrea map" and it popped up lol
Casually searched up the Czechoslovak Corridor and came out with a treasure trove of maps I've compiled into this document
Also, have Tennis Shoe Czechoslovakia (Proposed by Vavro Šrobár in 1919) as a freebie :3
Also, have Tennis Shoe Czechoslovakia (Proposed by Vavro Šrobár in 1919) as a freebie :3
Hungary is a bit more... compacted as well
I'd be interested to see what this guy's ideas included on a larger scale, beyond the margins of this map... for example what the "Odera-Elba Videk" would look like
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T.E. Lawrence’s proposal for the division of the Middle East in the aftermath of WWI
So apparently, a proposed name for all of Canada was "Cabotia", after Sebastian Cabot; hydrographer John Purdy proposed this.
All I can say is that Lawrence must not've thought too much of Zeid's ability, to propose giving him Deir ez-Zor
T.E. Lawrence’s proposal for the division of the Middle East in the aftermath of WWI
Muammar Qaddafi's plan to partition Switzerland, proposed at the 35th G8 Summit in July 2009.
Back in 2008, Qaddafi's son Hannibal was detained in Switzerland for allegedly beating his servants in a hotel room. After that, Qaddafi had a bee in his bonnet about Switzerland. He shut down Libyan subsidiares of Swiss companies Nestlé and ABB, cancelled most commercial flights between Libya and Switzerland, and withdrew about $5 billion from his Swiss bank accounts. After he proposed that Switzerland should be partitioned between France, Germany, and Italy, Swiss President Hans-Rudolf Merz publicly apologised for the arrest of Qaddafi's son, in an effort to ease tensions and negotiate the release of two Swiss businessmen in Libyan custody. This was criticized by the Swiss press and public, with numerous calls for his resignation. On the Prophet's Birthday 2010, Qaddafi called for an armed jihad against Switzerland, though he claimed this was not a call for terrorism. In reference to the Swiss Minaret Ban, he called Switzerland an "infidel harlot." Needless to say, Switzerland was never going to be partitioned, but this proposal is still really really funny.
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Following the disintegration of Austria-Hungary during the final days of World War I, there were discussions that the Republic of German-Austria (comprised of the German-speaking regions of Austria and the Sudetenland) should integrate with Weimar Germany. The Allies did not favour the proposal, and as part of the Treaty of Saint-Germain, Austria was forbidden from uniting with Germany while the Sudetenland was given to Czechoslovakia. As we all know, Austria would later unite with Nazi Germany in March 1938. That same month, the Nazis would invade Czechoslovakia; the Sudetenland would be annexed by Germany, while Czechia would become a German-occupied "protectorate" and Slovakia a Nazi puppet-state.
What would have happened if German-Austria was not banned from uniting with Germany in 1919? Would this lead to less resentment towards the Allies, or would it just embolden the Nazi movement? Either way, Czechoslovakia would probably feel maligned, and this would also have consequences for Hungary, Yugoslavia, Italy, and Poland.
Considering Weimar Germany's economic and political crises during the Great Depression, and the long-standing historical rivalry between Prussia/Northern Germany and Austria -- could this lead to an Austrian secessionist movement instead? Would this secessionist movement be a Habsburg restorationist movement, or one led by the Communists of "Red Vienna" (as the Austrian government was called, between 1919-1934), or something else entirely?
If the former -- I can see Habsburg loyalists making common cause with Bavarian monarchists, who were still loyal to the House of Wittelsbach. I can also see Mussolini's Italy supporting them -- though Italy had long hated the Habsburgs, OTL Fascist Italy supported Austrian independence, and was very nervous that the German annexation of Austria would lead to Germany pressing Austrian claims on South Tyrol. IOTL, Hitler swore not to do this when he and Mussolini formed the Axis in 1937 -- but in a timeline where that agreement was never reached, I can see Mussolini trying to support Austrian secessionist to create a conservative Catholic buffer-state in his sphere of influence, to undermine further pan-Germanist aspirations.
Alternatively, if Austria becomes a hotbed of Leftist radicals, I can see "Red Vienna" Marxists making common cause with the Bavarian Soviet Republic and eventually the Spartakus League. Either way -- I can see Austria and Bavaria forming a bloc against the government in Berlin.
Of course, Austria and Bavaria were both also hotbeds of Nazi activity -- in part because of the backlash to the Treaty of Saint-Germain (in Austria's case), and Bavarian Marxist uprisings (in Bavaria's case). So, it could be that Austria's presence only strengthens the Nazi movement in Germany, if Austro-separatism/Habsburg monarchism fail to take hold and Leftist movements are still suppressed.
What would have happened if German-Austria was not banned from uniting with Germany in 1919? Would this lead to less resentment towards the Allies, or would it just embolden the Nazi movement? Either way, Czechoslovakia would probably feel maligned, and this would also have consequences for Hungary, Yugoslavia, Italy, and Poland.
Considering Weimar Germany's economic and political crises during the Great Depression, and the long-standing historical rivalry between Prussia/Northern Germany and Austria -- could this lead to an Austrian secessionist movement instead? Would this secessionist movement be a Habsburg restorationist movement, or one led by the Communists of "Red Vienna" (as the Austrian government was called, between 1919-1934), or something else entirely?
If the former -- I can see Habsburg loyalists making common cause with Bavarian monarchists, who were still loyal to the House of Wittelsbach. I can also see Mussolini's Italy supporting them -- though Italy had long hated the Habsburgs, OTL Fascist Italy supported Austrian independence, and was very nervous that the German annexation of Austria would lead to Germany pressing Austrian claims on South Tyrol. IOTL, Hitler swore not to do this when he and Mussolini formed the Axis in 1937 -- but in a timeline where that agreement was never reached, I can see Mussolini trying to support Austrian secessionist to create a conservative Catholic buffer-state in his sphere of influence, to undermine further pan-Germanist aspirations.
Alternatively, if Austria becomes a hotbed of Leftist radicals, I can see "Red Vienna" Marxists making common cause with the Bavarian Soviet Republic and eventually the Spartakus League. Either way -- I can see Austria and Bavaria forming a bloc against the government in Berlin.
Of course, Austria and Bavaria were both also hotbeds of Nazi activity -- in part because of the backlash to the Treaty of Saint-Germain (in Austria's case), and Bavarian Marxist uprisings (in Bavaria's case). So, it could be that Austria's presence only strengthens the Nazi movement in Germany, if Austro-separatism/Habsburg monarchism fail to take hold and Leftist movements are still suppressed.
Germans would feel less punished, germany would be more catholic probably more stable over all.
There is somewhere already one or two 19th century united Europe proposal.
So heres another one (hope it wasn´t posted here before?)
@Aghasverov was right, in this thread it is better
So heres another one (hope it wasn´t posted here before?)
@Aghasverov was right, in this thread it is better
Former seems more likely to me.
I don´t think Austria would strenghten german radical left. Aside of "red Vienna" Austria was more conservative I think - actually similar situation to Bavaria.
About nazis - well, Austria being part of Germany seems to me as pretty big butterfly, but if thinks otherwise go similar to OTL, I don´t think this would present rise of nazi popularity - while Anschluss would give more popularity to Weimar system, as long as there is big economic crisis, rise of extremism is inevetable - which doesn´t mean, Hitlers rise to power is! As you said, maybe there is stronger non-nazi right, so Hitler isn´t needed by von Papen or something? (assuming things so far go mostly as OTL, which isn´t sure...)
Foreign politics - I guess that Czechoslovakia will be way, way more nervous. And so become maybe more hostile to its german minority (going as far as creating some more authoritative regime?), and seeking more allies... attempt for better relations with Poland? And/or Italy (which probably isn´t pleased with big Germany instead of tiny, poor Austria on its borders).
Or I can see alternative, with Czechoslovakia trying to cultivate better relations with its western neighbor,* with or against its own german population
* before rise of nazis, czechoslovak-german relations weren´t warm, bu definitely not hostile
Map of Greater Bangladesh, a conspiracy theory floated around in contemporary Indian ultranationalistic circles which claims that modern Bangladesh not only wishes to annex West Bengal in hopes of creating a United Bengal, but also the Seven Sister States due to them having sizable Bengali populations.
While, like the Partition in general, splitting Bangladesh caused a great deal of avoidable pain (atop being solid AH fodder)... I do not see the Hindutva sorts claiming this either going 'Good Riddance' or welcoming East bengal back into the fold.