Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Zachary VIII
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The original "proposal" comes from a Russian tabloid article with no sources. I think it should only count if it were proposed by at least one western government official or if it's a popular movement in Siberia, neither of which is the case.
Edit: Honestly any balkanization or partition of Russia besides an independent Kaliningrad, Japanese Kuril islands, and maybe an independent or Finnish Karelia seems unlikely. There could be greater autonomy for some of the republics. But it wouldn't be in America's interest to have a bunch of smaller, possibly competing, states that are harder to control.
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Independent Tatarstan is far more likely than independent Kaliningrad. I mean, that's like making East Prussia an independent state after WW1. It's really arbitrary.
"Yes, you're an independent state now because we don't want Russia to have that naval base, your complete lack of anything approaching a separate identity or sentiment totally notwithstanding"
Eh, I don't think it's entirely unlike the U.S. to do things that look good on paper but are bad in practice.
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Even if that was true, unless you linked to the maps where you got it from this really isn't the place for all of these.
I literally quoted the post here in which I listed the maps from here I was using.
Ahhh, apologies. I looked st the other link and at the maps at the top of the page, though I was thinking more of the Easter Bloc map.
Not a proposal per say, but... ahhh, I really wish I could find a good enough size too post for this. Can't even get the full version open on my iPad, it is so large.
https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agdm/id/14559/
https://collections.lib.uwm.edu/digital/collection/agdm/id/14559/
If we're going to use that for this thread, we might as well start adding proposals by raging street people. UNITED STATES OF MY ASS, f******.
I mean, at least it’s *a* solution
Not one that would last a full 24 hours before collapsing into like 50 different ethnic and religious separatist rebellions that would make 1990s Yugoslavia look tame and probably end up devastating Israel rather than helping it
But the ensuing chaos would be interesting at the very least, so there’s that
In all seriousness, I have to believe that this is at least in some part a joke meant to make a point about the Arab-Israeli conflict. I don’t know what point, but that’s the only way that video would make sense.
There are already a few people seriously pushing for the "Nile to Euphrates" Greater Israel idea, so it wouldn't surprise me if this were real.
Honestly I'm a little surprised PragerU didn't think of this first.
So I think many of you know about the Acadian Deportation, but what is surprising is that the French were also ready to deport the acadians if necessary.
from
« L’expédition du duc d’Anville »Guy Frégault, Revue d'histoire de l'Amérique française, vol. 2, n° 1, 1948, p. 27-52.
In preparation of the (failed) Expedition of the Duke D'anville, which had as goal to retake Louisbourg (which had been taken the year before), retake Acadia, and "lay waste to Boston", Louis XV gave the radical order:
"If Anville judges that some Acadian are not loyal [to the crown], he would force them out of the colony, and send them either to Old England or somewhere in the colonies of England according to the ease of doing so, and he would ask them to pledge loyalty to His Majesty"
Considering the Neutrality of the Acadians, it isn't hard to imagine many refusing to do so. France deporting thousands of Acadians to English Colonies (likely somewhere in the Thirteen colonies beyond the Kennebec River, France's claimed borders of Acadia, or maybe possibly Newfoundland?)
Guy Frégault comments: "The two European motherlands have the same intent in common, maybe France's only crdit is that they had been in the Physical impossibility to commit the same crime which would bring shame on its rival"
from
« L’expédition du duc d’Anville »Guy Frégault, Revue d'histoire de l'Amérique française, vol. 2, n° 1, 1948, p. 27-52.
In preparation of the (failed) Expedition of the Duke D'anville, which had as goal to retake Louisbourg (which had been taken the year before), retake Acadia, and "lay waste to Boston", Louis XV gave the radical order:
"If Anville judges that some Acadian are not loyal [to the crown], he would force them out of the colony, and send them either to Old England or somewhere in the colonies of England according to the ease of doing so, and he would ask them to pledge loyalty to His Majesty"
Considering the Neutrality of the Acadians, it isn't hard to imagine many refusing to do so. France deporting thousands of Acadians to English Colonies (likely somewhere in the Thirteen colonies beyond the Kennebec River, France's claimed borders of Acadia, or maybe possibly Newfoundland?)
Guy Frégault comments: "The two European motherlands have the same intent in common, maybe France's only crdit is that they had been in the Physical impossibility to commit the same crime which would bring shame on its rival"
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I may be wrong, but from the sound of it this was only if the Acadians had come to see themselves as English subjects and refused the loyalty oath. Not much better in the humanity department but a slighty better reason than stealing land and they are a different religionSo I think many of you know about the Acadian Deportation, but what is surprising is that the French were also ready to deport the acadians if necessary.
from
« L’expédition du duc d’Anville »Guy Frégault, Revue d'histoire de l'Amérique française, vol. 2, n° 1, 1948, p. 27-52.
In preparation of the (failed) Expedition of the Duke D'anville, which had as goal to retake Louisbourg (which had been taken the year before), retake Acadia, and "lay waste to Boston", Louis XV gave the radical order:
"If Anville judges that some Acadian are not loyal [to the crown], he would force them out of the colony, and send them either to Old England or somewhere in the colonies of England according to the ease of doing so, and he would ask them to pledge loyalty to His Majesty"
Considering the Neutrality of the Acadians, it isn't hard to imagine many refusing to do so. France deporting thousands of Acadians to English Colonies (likely somewhere in the Thirteen colonies beyond the Kennebec River, France's claimed borders of Acadia, or maybe possibly Newfoundland?)
Guy Frégault comments: "The two European motherlands have the same intent in common, maybe France's only crdit is that they had been in the Physical impossibility to commit the same crime which would bring shame on its rival"
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Do you know what the odd part is? The easiest serious One-State Solution IMO would boil down grafting the West Bank and (poss.) Gaza onto the Israeli state whilst granting full citizenship rights/protections to the people there along with lumping any of the Palestinian diaspora that want to come back under the existing Law of Return.
(and getting the co-official status of Arabic back on the books... only take it seriously)
(not to mention shutting down all the party militias they way the Irgun and so forth were shut down when things got started)
Implementation would be a headache and dealing with the property claims would take decades, not to mention convincing everyone that possibly being merely 30-40-odd percent of the population is not step one for clearing the Jews out, but it would make vastly more sense than... that.
They could be simply claiming Everyone Else In The Mid East Suck.
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Not even that, the text above and before that quote says that Louis XV had large doubts on the loyalty of all the Acadians, and the order explicitly targeted any Acadians who didn’t swear alliegance to the king, neutrals included.
The thing is while we find any mass deportation deplorable the morals at the time (at least among the aristocracy) would not have seen an issue with deporting a obstinately disloyal population which is at best what they would have been viewed as at worst they would have been viewed as actively working against the state, especially since they were originally French.
The English did try to use the excuse that they "would be disloyal" but since the Acadian did swear the loyal oath so that excuse didn't hold water.
A few reason, one of the big reasons was the population of French Canada was too large and well entrench to pull off an operation like that. Also had a history of fighting the English while the Acadians didn't so it was theoretically easier to carry out with less chance of resisting.