Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

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  1. Beedok I exist.

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    Clearly someone should have tried to build a combination Armenian-Kurdish state to fill the area, and keep them united by making sure the Turks hated them and wanted to invade... that's a good plan for long term stability.
     
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  2. Ashtagon Very Well-Known Member

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    Imagine if post-Ottoman, a Kurd-Armenia-Chaldea-state had been assembled (kind of like how Pakistan was an amalgam of three regions that didn't really have all that much in common beyond religion).

    Kurtchalstan, anyone?
     
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  3. Luminous Headwing Consulting

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    Heh. Definitely. But I definitely could see it bandied about.

    That sounds lovely; pairing two ethnic groups with another one that spent most of the war working with the Turks to exterminate them. At least Pakistan has the religious similarities going on.

    Granted, an Armeno-Chaldean state does sound possible, at least in theory, but runs into the problems of Armenian domination (a minor problem) and Russian sponsorship/leanings (a larger one for the British).
     
  4. Ashtagon Very Well-Known Member

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    It's actually perfectly in-character with what we know of the thinking behind Sykes-Picot.
     
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  5. Reagent Cartography's Reactionary

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  6. Charger24 Swan Knight of Dol Amroth

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    This is really interesting, but I've never read anything on this proposal before. What's the original source?
     
  7. theman7777 Well-Known Member

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    I took a swing at making a worlda map of this:
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  10. Crying Your ideology is shit, SHIIIIIIIIT

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    Russia's plans for the invasion of the Ottomans, before Britain's refusal lead to the Crimean War:
    • Moldavia, Wallachia, and Northern Bulgaria would be annexed directly into the Russian Empire.
    • Southern Bulgaria and Serbia would be declared as Independent states under Russian protection.
    • Austria would gain Bosnia and Montenegro; possibly Albania.
    • The United Kingdom would gain Egypt, Cyprus, and the Dodecanese (Rhodes).
    • France would gain the isle of Crete.
    • Greece would gain the remaining Aegean isles.
    • Constantinople would be made a Free City, with a Russian garrison on the Bosphorus, and an Austrian garrison on the Dardenelles.
    Plans by the UK/"Allies" that didn't go through OTL, mostly due to France:
    • The entirety of Bessarabia was originally to be transferred to either Turkey or Moldavia, to give the Ottomans a more defensible position against any future Russian incursion.
    • The British wanted the Black Sea and the Azoz Sea neutralized.
    • The British wanted Russian Shipyards, specifically those in Nicolaieff, completely dismantled.
    • The establishment of a Circassian State, under British and Ottoman protection, which would act as yet another buffer against Russian intentions.
    • Allegedly they wanted an independent Poland, but this was mostly a bluff. They probably would have simply made Russia give Poland more autonomy, if anything.
    • Some sort of Free Trade policy throughout the Mediterranean, if not all of Europe.
    • The Sardinians were promised Parma and Modena, whose rulers would replace those of Wallachia and Moldavia.
    Source: Another post on this website that I've edited slightly. They said it was from the Cambridge Book of World History, though.
     
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  11. Chris S Member

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    So was to this to replace the original Polish Corridor (which presumably would be returned to Germany and allow East Prussia to be reconnected to Germany proper) or was this to be in addition to the original Polish Corridor?
     
  12. Iserlohn Amateur Cartographer

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    Based on the article (which is mostly behind a paywall but the free introduction does explicitly mention it) it would've been a replacement and not an addition.
     
  13. Chris S Member

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    So something like this?

    russian war plans crimean war possible.png

    (made by using Omniatlas' maps as rough base maps)
     
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  14. Guardian GI Well-Known Member

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    Do invasion plans count as "proposals that didn't happen?"
    If they do, I have this old (and thus low quality) map of a NATO invasion of Russia and Belarus, circulated in Russian anti-Western sources in the early 2000s:

    [​IMG]

    The creators of that map also thought Ukraine would turn against Russia and let NATO aircraft use their airbases.
     
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  15. theman7777 Well-Known Member

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    I made worlda versions of the Volkstaat proposals in this post.
    proposal 1.png proposal 2.png proposal 3.png proposal 4.png
     
  16. James G find me on alternate-timelines.proboards.com/ Gone Fishin'

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    Amazing... in the terms of being logistically impossible to run an invasion out of the Baltic States. Moreover, the map creator has messed with the map to stretch certain countries and bring Moscow westwards as well. It all looks deceivingly simple.
     
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  17. Kikkomaan Seasoning your life

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    Russia's plans:
    [​IMG]

    And Britain's plans:
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  18. sarahz Well-Known Member

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    wait there was thinking involved?
     
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  20. Burton K Wheeler l'état profond, c'est moi Moderator

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    Don’t bump this thread without some content.