Probably done to death, but...

WilyBadger

So what if back in 2000, Florida got it's act together and Al Gore actually became president, as he should have, not to be partisan at all here? :rolleyes:

Would the September 11th attacks have taken place? If so, what would the response of the Gore adminstration have been? Would the (rather sucky, in my opinion), Kyoto Treaty have been ratified? Would we be sitting pretty in Iraq, have stayed out entirely, or have an even bigger mess than we do now?

This is, of course, going to be a hard one to do without giving into your own politics. As you can see, some of mine happend to sneak in (just a total coincidence, I'm sure). SO! I'm going to primarily want to hear from people who aren't in the USA. Do your best to back up your theories with whatever facts you can.

Have fun!
 

Derek Jackson

Gore would not have been able to get Kyoto passed.

My guess is that his reaction to September 11 is that he would go for Afganistan but not have attacked Iraq.

The difficulty is that Republicans would call him a traitor and soft on terror essentially whatever he did.

There is a real chance he would have listened more carefully to briefings. There may be some chance that September 11 would have been prevented.

If he were smart he would grab Enron with both hand and make sure to hang around the necks of Republicans.
 

Ghost 88

Kyota treaty in the senate the vote was zero for passage 99 against this IIRC was while Clinton was President.All Bush has done is failed to resubmit it the outcome would not be much different.
 

WilyBadger

Well, the Kyoto Treaty was, from many accounts, pretty bad. What other changes might've occured? Say, what would've the 2004 elections outcomes have likely been? And how would a Gore administration have handled Katrina?
 

NapoleonXIV

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No 9/11 almost certainly.

9/11 was a fluke. If proposed exactly as it happened as a scenario here it would be dismissed as wildly implausible. Almost any change in the circumstances would butterfly it away.

Gore would probably listen more to warnings, subsequent events have shown that Bush habitually doesn't heed the advice of others.

Gore would probably have passed the Clinton proposed legislation that would have dried up the terrorists money and had been blocked by the Republicans. It would probably have been given him as a compromise on something else by the Republican congress.

Without 9/11 we have no war on terror and no Iraq or Afghanistan
 

Tgibbs

I voted for Gore, and I admire the man, but I suspect 9-11 was going to happen, regardless of who was president.

But with Gore in office, we'd go after Al Qaida without wasting people, money, time, and global goodwill in Iraq.
 

fred_smith

9-11 was a fluke, but sometimes flukes happen. I'd say it would be possible for it to happen under a Gore presidency.

I'm English and left-wing. But, I don't know if a Gore presidency would have been any better. I could see him reacting to Russia a lot differently and possibly would have been less fast to support our allies in that area of the world. I doubt the economy would be any better and, though he wouldn't have even considered going into Iraq, I imagine the Afghanistan situation and other terrorist attacks would have generated enough bad press.

He may have also been softer on Iran, which I think may have made them elect a less extreme president, though I imagine we would still be having issues with North Korea, Iran and Iraq.

I ithink that Gore wouldn't have got a second term, I have been lead to believe that Democrats rarely do. But we would hopefully have got someone vaguely competent to deal with Katrina.

The good news is maybe he would have set in place long term measures to deal with climate change and the oil peak.
 

Dayton Kitchens

Banned
9-11 would have happened no doubt.

The planning and work on it had been going on for years before 2001.

And Al Gore might well have gone after Saddam Hussein. Remember, the Clinton Admin. launched at least three significant bombing campaigns against Saddam Hussein with questionable effectiveness.

At the very least, sometime in a Gore Admin. I think you would've seen a Desert Storm type air campaign but without the ground invasion of Iraq.

And gas prices and other things would be unchanged.

Remember, if the Bush Admin. had liscensed nuclear power plants, gotten oil companies to build refineries, and raised fuel standards on his first day in office.........................in 2006, we still would not have any new nuclear power plants, any new refineries, nor any new model high mileage vehicles yet.
 

DuQuense

1st you have to have the networks get their act together and NOT call the Florida election a hour before the polls closed. Then they would have known it was to close to call, So no calling and taking back, then calling and taking back again.

Then when the recounts were over and Bush won whe wouldn't have posts like this.

ps. I didn't vote for Bush.
 

Wendell

Gore Wins....

  • Cabinet: SecState Colin Powell, SecDef Wes Clark, Atty. G. Patty Murray SecLabor Dick Gephardt, SecCommerce Mineta. Others uncertain
  • Several regulations placed on various industries; "outsourcing" more prevalent ITTL
  • September 11 still happens; War in Afghanistan goes a bit rough, with Republicans insisting on fighting harder, and extending to other fronts
  • Philippine/Sulu Sea Crisis; U.S. troops engaged in Philippines.
  • Middle East policy: More hostile to Israel than events under Bush.
  • Attitudes in Europe; favorable to Gore as a person, but still increasingly hostile to the United States itself.
  • 2004 Election; Lieberman steps aside. Gephardt replaces him as VP nominee. Republicans (Tancredo-McConnell) win, as Gore is challenged on the Left by Nader (as the Green Party nominee)
 

Wendell

luakel said:
Yeah, but why would there be less pressure on Palestine without Bush?
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Well, Clinton was willing to deal with Arafat. George W. Bush was not, and I'd expect Gore's approach to be more like that of his predecessor.
 

Dave Howery

Gore elected, partisan warfare in DC... unless we're butterflying away the GOP dominance in Congress too, it's hard to see how Gore could get anything done that isn't what they want anyway....
 

Berra

If anyone have 9/11 butterflied away with Gore, I don't object but it have to be a lucky shoot.

I also think that Gore will be more popular in Europe but thats the only major change im sure of.
 

WilyBadger

fred_smith said:
I ithink that Gore wouldn't have got a second term, I have been lead to believe that Democrats rarely do. But we would hopefully have got someone vaguely competent to deal with Katrina.
Just to address this last comment... the Democrats are decent at getting relected. Consider, off the top of my head, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Johnson (the last two didn't get second terms, per se, but got full terms of their own), and Clinton. In fact, as near as I can tell, in the last century Carter was the only one that DIDN'T get a second term.

Republicans, that I know of, who were one-terms were Taft, Hoover, Bush Sr and, I think, Coolidge. I don't remember if he was relected in his own right after Harding died.

Still, you're English, so it's ok not to know these things. :) I can't name more than about ten former PMs off the top of my head, so there ya go.
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Dayton Kitchens

Banned
Coolidge was elected in his own right in 1924. He served around 5 & 1/2 years as president. In fact, he would probably have won a second term in his own right and thus been historically Americas second longest serving president had he chosen to run in 1928.
 
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