Probability Check: A Dutch Revolt From Burgundy

Considering a couple of random ideas and that old perennial alternative history favourite Burgundy came up. One of the instinctive objections I have against a surviving Burgundy though is that it would probably butterfly the eventual Netherlands who I have something of a soft spot for. Would it though? Now I know very little about the area during the time period but one of the reasons why the Dutch were successful I thought was that they were removed from Spain and her possessions with only the sea for them to send the majority of their troops to suppress the rebels. Well that and the Dutch being typically stubborn. :) A Burgundy that's somehow survived, insert handwavium here for the moment, and also acquired Lorraine to link all their territory can just march their troops about through their own lands. On the plus side however they'd be faced with a smaller enemy with less financial and manpower resources. So could what became the Dutch Republic somehow have a chance of rebelling against a Burgundy that has somehow managed to anger them enough?
 

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Well a revolt usually happen because people are pissed of. So it's possible if the Burgundians start to treat the Dutch like shit, the same way the Spanish did.
 
The original Dutch revolt was just a revolt by petty nobleman against the centralisation efforts of the Spanish. So if you have the Burgundians do the same thing a Dutch revolt in the Burgundian Netherlands can happen as well. Throw in some religious reasoning as well and you can create a seperate national identity.
 
Yes and no, the Dutch revolt had more components, one was political against the centralization policy of a absentee monarch, and the other was the religious turmoil.

Both can still happen, but the Burgundian dukes won't stay in Dijon all the time and will spend a fair amount of time in the Burgundian Netherlands; and if France manages to seize the duchy of Burgundy (proper), they will certainly spend the majority of their time in the Burgundian Netherlands.

This type of political reform with a present monarch and one the Estates see as their monarch will be easier to achieve, but will remain difficult nonetheless.

Religiously one could still end up in a religious war just like IOTL France, the HRE etc.

Combining these and a similar outcome could occur, but the final outcome wasn't what most of the original groups which started the revolt had in mind. The separation of the national identities was a consequence, but never intentional and it developed gradually. Besides even the current border is only a result, from what was controlled by each side when the peace treaty was signed. For instance Brabant was divided between the two sides.
So in many ways this revolt will be even more like a civil war than the OTL revolt.
 
A Burgundy that's somehow survived, insert handwavium here for the moment, and also acquired Lorraine to link all their territory can just march their troops about through their own lands. On the plus side however they'd be faced with a smaller enemy with less financial and manpower resources. So could what became the Dutch Republic somehow have a chance of rebelling against a Burgundy that has somehow managed to anger them enough?
Eh, the ability to march troops to the Low Countries isn't as useful for the Burgundians since said Low Countries contain over 3/4 of the population and richness of the Burgundian possessions...IOW, the Burgundian army is mostly paid with income from the LC and most non-foreign soldiers will be from the LC as well.
Af for chances of success, certainly, but without an absentee ruler (and most likely no inquisition-fetish) a rebellion is both less likely to occur and less likely to result in a complete break from the ruler. A rebellion will most likely be a conflict between those for (the Dukes) and against centralisation (the cities & many local nobles) which probably ends with some kind of compromise and a new charter of liberties or something similar.

It's even possible that the Burgundian dukes relocate their seat to the Netherlands since it's much richer than Dijon.
IMO it's a as good as certain, the Low Countries are the schwerpunkt of the Burgundian possessions in every possible way.
 
The Burgundian Netherlands were ultimately Philip the Good and Charles the Bold's power base. The biggest chance I can see the Dutch revolting is if the Valois-Burgundian line gets the French throne.
 
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