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how could the germans make the polish their allies instead of enemies ,maybe give the polish the territory that they claimed from the soviets in a german soviet war?
Short of ASBs the Poles did not want to be saddled to either Germany or the USSR because they knew it would be effective slavery. They were more than happy to ride Germany's coattails in the mid-late 1930s because they got territory out of it (Teschen), they broke with Hitler when he offered an alliance and were willing to suffer the sanctions and threats that he started to issue.how could the germans make the polish their allies instead of enemies ,maybe give the polish the territory that they claimed from the soviets in a german soviet war?
How do you figure?
The Poles insisted on stating that it did not nullify any previous international agreements, in particular the Franco-Polish Military Alliance. Nevertheless, by easing Poland's disputes with Germany bilaterally, the treaty weakened France's diplomatic position against Germany.
To allay any fears of a war against the Soviet Union, on May 5, 1934, Poland renewed the Soviet–Polish Non-Aggression Pact, which had been first signed on July 25, 1932. It was extended until December 31, 1945, ignoring Hitler’s repeated suggestion to form a German-Polish alliance against the Soviets. [8]
Piłsudski distrusted German intentions on the whole but perceived Hitler's origins as an Austrian rather than a Prussian as a mitigating factor and stated that Hitler should stay in power as long as possible. [11]
How do you figure?
That's my point, what window? Pilsudski was repeatedly offered and alliance and turned it down.Because it’s a window of opportunity? You know, a chance fir something to occur: ie, if things were done differently (more intelligently?) results may have been different?
That's my point, what window? Pilsudski was repeatedly offered and alliance and turned it down.
That's the thing, the Poles were only interested in a non-aggression pact; if that was contingent on an alliance they wouldn't take that in 1934. That's the problem.OTL, yes. But there were negotiations for the non-aggression pact, no? If the negotiations had gone differently (i.e. the window of opportunity had been taken) then maybe something could have been agreed to build upon. ATL as opposed to OTL.
I don’t understand how this is a difficult concept to grasp.
It happened in 1999.how could the germans make the polish their allies instead of enemies
Link to timeline?CountofDooku's TL "Co-Prosperity Sphere" has Poland join the axis powers. Long story short, Hitler and his cohorts are either removed or have their powers severely reduced after a military coup in 1938 restores the monarchy. Poland is basically blackmailed by the restored imperial government into giving up all lands which formerly used to be part of the German Empire, in turn the Poles would maintain their "independence" against the Soviet Union which they fear more as well as being promised land east in Belorussia. May not be the most plausible but it's something.
Completly ASB. Poland would not give western provinces to Germany without a war. And after such war Poland by default would not be friendly towards Germany.CountofDooku's TL "Co-Prosperity Sphere" has Poland join the axis powers. Long story short, Hitler and his cohorts are either removed or have their powers severely reduced after a military coup in 1938 restores the monarchy. Poland is basically blackmailed by the restored imperial government into giving up all lands which formerly used to be part of the German Empire, in turn the Poles would maintain their "independence" against the Soviet Union which they fear more as well as being promised land east in Belorussia. May not be the most plausible but it's something.
Completly ASB. Poland would not give western provinces to Germany without a war. And after such war Poland by default would not be friendly towards Germany.
In 1944 Romania was being blackmailed by the USSR in effect and still ended up effectively a colony of the USSR despite their wartime alliance.I agree, but I would also add that even if Poland gave Pomerania, Danzig etc. without a fight, because blackmailed, they then would not be friendly towards Germany. It seldom happens that blackmail victims are sincerely friendly to the blackmailers.
We even have an OTL example. Romania was blackmailed by Germany, the only difference being that they had to give up territory not directly to Germany but to Hungary. They did cave in without a fight. But when the opportunity came, Romania turned against Germany and Hungary, and entered Transylvania again. They still lost the territory they had to give to the SU, but Cluj today is in Romania.