Principality of Siebenbürgen

Susano

Banned
How do we get Transsylvania to be a independent Protestant state dominated by the Transylvanian Saxons?

OTL? :p
Transylvania was an indendant vasall principality to the Ottomans for a time, and was in the middle ages and early modern age generally ruled by the Unio Trium Nationum[/url], the alliance of sorts between the Transylvanian Saxons, as burghers in the cities, the Szeklers, as free peasants and the Transyvlanian Hungarians, as feudal lords.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
You don't. And there's only one "s" in the name.

Thank you, but just because it's dominated by the Saxons, it doesn't mean that they have to be in majority. You can see that the Courland, Livonia and Estland was dominated by the Germans for a long time even through they only made up 6 % of their populations. But yes we need a bigger Saxon/Lutheran population to make the domination more permanent, that we need is more post reformation immigration of Lutherans (or semi Lutherans) it really doesn't matter if these are German as long as they are not Hungarian or Romanian, they will intergate into the Saxon/Lutheran community. Maybe if a large nummer of Austrian, Czechian and Silesian Lutherans moved from the Habsburg lands to Transylvania. Beside that it would help with a German prince instead of a Hungarian prince.
 
Thank you, but just because it's dominated by the Saxons, it doesn't mean that they have to be in majority. You can see that the Courland, Livonia and Estland was dominated by the Germans for a long time even through they only made up 6 % of their populations.

The Baltic Provinces only had one traditional elite, as it were. Transylvania had 2 (3 if you count the Szeklers), and the Saxons have no chance against the Hungarian nobility.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
OTL? :p
Transylvania was an indendant vasall principality to the Ottomans for a time, and was in the middle ages and early modern age generally ruled by the Unio Trium Nationum[/url], the alliance of sorts between the Transylvanian Saxons, as burghers in the cities, the Szeklers, as free peasants and the Transyvlanian Hungarians, as feudal lords.

Maybe a alliance beetween the Saxons and Szeklers against the Hungarians and the creation of a merchant republic with wide rights to the free peasants. What if Szerklers converted to Lutheranismen, instead of becoming Calvinists.
 

Susano

Banned
Maybe a alliance beetween the Saxons and Szeklers against the Hungarians and the creation of a merchant republic with wide rights to the free peasants. What if Szerklers converted to Lutheranismen, instead of becoming Calvinists.

A republic is by definition no principality ;) And as said, it was independant, while it was a vasall to the Ottomans...
 

Valdemar II

Banned
A republic is by definition no principality ;)

Yeah yeah:rolleyes:

The important part is that it's independent

And as said, it was independant, while it was a vasall to the Ottomans...

I don't see a problem with it being a vasal to the Ottomans atleast not in the short term, that they need to is use the Ottoman as protection while they are strong but dump them before the Habsburg can take over Transsylvania. If the Szerklers are more less integrated with the Saxon (even if they speak different languages), Siebenbürgen can welcome large groups of Huguenots in 1685 without the Huguenots being assimilated into the Hungarians, but into the Saxons instead. With the Huguenot being mostly urban they would fit right into the Saxon even with the difference in belief.
 
How do we get Transsylvania to be a independent Protestant state dominated by the Transylvanian Saxons?
Ottomans (having taken the smart road and established Hungary as a vassal) invite them in after a succession crisis. The already strong Calvinist element proves dominant, and a related Millet started up by the ambitious heading to Constantinople provides 'safe' heirs and dynastic links.

Still, all things come to an end and full independence is negotiated around 1880. The place is officially triligual, but German is the preferred language of the Court and Bureaucracy.

HTG
 
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