Prince Frederick of Prussia marries Princess Charlotte of Wales

I really don't know. That Schleswig-Holstein business was a real dog's breakfast.

And thereto I say that the comment "only three people have ever understood this whole business. A German professor, the Prince Consort and myself. As to the professor, he went mad; the prince is dead; and as for myself, I've quite forgotten all about it" sums it up nicely.

And Louise of Hesse had an older sister (really two but the oldest died at 17 years) and a brother so she was not the natural heiress

She BECAME the heiress by them being persuaded to renounce their rights in her husband's favour. Which was how Christian skipped ahead of his own older brother (who was married to the Danish king's daughter) in the succession . Don't ask how that works, you use Salic Law to exclude one heiress (the king's daughter) but then hand the crown to a bloke further back in the line (who happens to be brother to your son-in-law) because he's married to a girl who's BEHIND your daughter but AHEAD of him in the succession sweepstakes. It's like the muddle about Schleswig-Holstein on an international level.
 
Hmm, if Augustenborg still renounces his rights, that rules out his son does it not?

Christian Karl of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg was closer in two ways. 1) he was the son of Lovisa Augusta of Denmark (la Petite Stuensee), sister to Frederik VI (at least through her mom). 2) His own marriage to a Danneskjøld-Samsoe countess who descended from another Danish king (can't remember if it was legitimately or not). So even if he does renounce his rights, his son's still got a pretty good claim.
 
And thereto I say that the comment "only three people have ever understood this whole business. A German professor, the Prince Consort and myself. As to the professor, he went mad; the prince is dead; and as for myself, I've quite forgotten all about it" sums it up nicely.



She BECAME the heiress by them being persuaded to renounce their rights in her husband's favour. Which was how Christian skipped ahead of his own older brother (who was married to the Danish king's daughter) in the succession . Don't ask how that works, you use Salic Law to exclude one heiress (the king's daughter) but then hand the crown to a bloke further back in the line (who happens to be brother to your son-in-law) because he's married to a girl who's BEHIND your daughter but AHEAD of him in the succession sweepstakes. It's like the muddle about Schleswig-Holstein on an international level.
I think who Christian and Louise were choised over his brother because they had children (and more important sons) while his brother and the Danish princess were childless (and also Karl was pretty unpopular in Denmark having fought against them in at least one war) while Christian was enough popular there and most important the king before Christian IX was Fredrick VII (Vilhelmine's first husband, who had divorced from her) and not Fredrick VI (father of Vilhelmine and father-in law of Karl)
 
Drake had Camelford House IIRC, and OTL Charlotte and Leo got Claremont as a country residence, can't remember where their townhouse was. They wouldn't be at Buck House since that was Queen Charlotte's private home, and St. James' was mostly given over to grease and fervour lodgings and was only used for the royal levées and receiving ambassadors in the reign of George III.

Camelford House was the OTL London residence of Charlotte and Leopold. Now Marlborough House came available in 1817, when it's 99 year lease reverted to the Crown, I can see the Prussias moving there.

Major changes.

There may well be no Victoria. OTL she was her father's only child, and was only aged 18 months when he died. That rewrites any number of royal genealogies. In particular, Kaiser Wilhelm II is never born - at least not the one we know. If there is a Prussian marriage in the next generation, it would be to a daughter of Charlotte, and have different children.

If Charlotte's son goes on to have sons of his own, GB gets a line of Hohenzollern Kings. Anglo-Prussian relations should be good, but OTL they were quite reasonable anyway until the naval race started up. That may be less likely. Could well produce a family pact of some kind "You be the general and I'll be the Admiral".

Long shot. Could the Danish heiress who OTL married the future Christian IX, perhaps marry a Hohenzollern instead? That would probably mean no war in 1864.

With an 1814 POD, there's no guarantee AT ALL that the House of Oldenburg still dies out in 1863. Have Christian VIII/Frederick VII marry a fertile second wife and the line continues.

Also, to the main POD, read Charlotte and Leopold: the Prussian Prince she was interested in was Prince August (19 September 1779 - 19 July 1843), not Prince Friedrich (30 October 1794 – 27 July 1863). The so-called sudden engagement of the later makes no sense when you look at dates; Friedrich married Luise in 1817, three years after Charlotte's courtship with a Prussian Prince and a year after her marriage to Leopold.
 
Ah interesting. Hmm, Claremont and perhaps they get apartments in Kensington?

In my timeline that Jonas mentioned, Charlotte ended up with a dowry of £10,000 per annum, £50,000 per annum jointly with her husband Prince Frederick, along with an annuity of £60,000 for jewels, plate, and furniture—this was pretty much what she received IOTL at her marriage to Prince Leopold. It was quite generous, but it was also being paid out of the public purse. The Prince Regent was stingy with his own money, but when it came to the public purse, he wanted his daughter suitably decked out in royal style. They initially leased Camelford House, "One of the most unpleasant habitations in London." Prince Leopold and Charlotte lived there IOTL, too. Frederick and Charlotte had a country house at Claremont, as she did with Leopold—I kept these details the same mostly because I assume things wouldn't of changed that much. Claremont was purchased through a Parliamentary bill and cost about £69,000—though Frederick bemoaned the purchase in ATL as a waste. During her pregnancy in ATL, they moved out of Camelford and leased Marlborough House for £3,000 per annum, spending about £10,000 on repairs—again, similar to OTL.

They probably wouldn't have any apartments at Kensington Palace. From the time of George III, it was mostly used for minor royalty—in Charlotte's time, the Duke of Sussex lived there. Princess Sophia would probably live there after the death of Queen Charlotte, and the Duke of Kent would probably live there as well if he decides to return to England. The Duke of Kent might live there if he decides to marry, but if Charlotte survives it's just as possible he stays shacked up with his mistress at Castle Lodge. Apartments were mostly for those who were hard up, and they were often given as grace and favor residences.
 
In my timeline that Jonas mentioned, Charlotte ended up with a dowry of £10,000 per annum, £50,000 per annum jointly with her husband Prince Frederick, along with an annuity of £60,000 for jewels, plate, and furniture—this was pretty much what she received IOTL at her marriage to Prince Leopold. It was quite generous, but it was also being paid out of the public purse. The Prince Regent was stingy with his own money, but when it came to the public purse, he wanted his daughter suitably decked out in royal style. They initially leased Camelford House, "One of the most unpleasant habitations in London." Prince Leopold and Charlotte lived there IOTL, too. Frederick and Charlotte had a country house at Claremont, as she did with Leopold—I kept these details the same mostly because I assume things wouldn't of changed that much. Claremont was purchased through a Parliamentary bill and cost about £69,000—though Frederick bemoaned the purchase in ATL as a waste. During her pregnancy in ATL, they moved out of Camelford and leased Marlborough House for £3,000 per annum, spending about £10,000 on repairs—again, similar to OTL.

They probably wouldn't have any apartments at Kensington Palace. From the time of George III, it was mostly used for minor royalty—in Charlotte's time, the Duke of Sussex lived there. Princess Sophia would probably live there after the death of Queen Charlotte, and the Duke of Kent would probably live there as well if he decides to return to England. The Duke of Kent might live there if he decides to marry, but if Charlotte survives it's just as possible he stays shacked up with his mistress at Castle Lodge. Apartments were mostly for those who were hard up, and they were often given as grace and favor residences.
Okay interesting, would Charlotte survive childbirth do you think or still die?
 
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