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I see what you may be trying to do, but you need to rethink some things more.

1933-THE SUCCESSFUL ASSASSINATION OF ROOSEVELT.


Interesting POD, if not the most unique.


1936-WILLIAM TAFT ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE GRAND PLAN IS ISSUED.

I can see how this would happen. Assuming Garner goes for the Presidency, the Republicans would have a good shot at the White House. However there is one gapping flaw in this segment, that being that William Taft died 6 years before the election you have him winning. Now, I realize American politics sometimes have a feeling of absurdity, but I somehow t=doubt that a deceased man can win the presidency. You probably mean his son, Robert. However, robert Taft only entered the Senate in 1938, and held no national office before that (and had not held office since 1932, when he lost his seat in the Ohio state Senate). Just double check your sources.


1939-WW2 BEGINS.

I can see this happening. The death of Roosevelt and his replacement by Garner/Taft will have little effect on European politics.


1940-BRITAIN IS OVERPOWERED AND COLLAPSES.

Okay, now I'm lost. As stated above, the european war is going to go roughly according to OTL for a while, because no changes have been made which are directly shaping Europe. So how on earth do the Nazi's bring about a sealion or equivalent thereof which they did not have a prayer of pulling off in the first place? A major divergence in the Nazi heirarchy will be needed to change that fact. I believe Alison brooks summed this up best here, although Ian also has a good paper on the subject. now, there is the possibility of hallifax coming to power, but given the POD, I don't see why that happens. And anyways, that hardly qualifies as being overwhelmed. Finally, Lend-Lease did not begin until 1941. So missing American aid is not going to make a difference.
1941-HITLER FINALIZES AN ALLIANCE WITH THE SOVIET UNION. JAPAN AND THE REST OF ASIA ARE FEARFUL OF THIS. THE US DEPLOYS MORE TROOPS TO THE PHILIPPINES AND ASK FOR JAPANESE ASSISTANCE.

Fially, it is only a matter of time before the Soviets and Nazis turn on each other. Hitler's entire policies are bilt around defeating the Russians for a variety of reasons (leberensraum, hatred of communism, etc...), and Stalin is a paranoid power-hungry dictator who recognizes Hitler is his worst enemy in the short term. Asia is not going to be worried by this, the only effected power (Japan) takes advantage of the distraction of the rest of the world to solidify it's gains in CHina (and possibly southeast asia, with the british collapse), and to contemplating striking North when the inevitable war comes. The US is pulling out of the Phillipenes on or ahead of the OTL schedule, and the Japanese may be planning a Pearl Harbour type strike. And working on the assumption that the US is bulking up in the far east, why ask the Japanese, the people they are fortifying against, for help?
 
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1933-THE SUCCESSFUL ASSASSINATION OF ROOSEVELT.
1936-WILLIAM TAFT ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE GRAND PLAN IS ISSUED.
1939-WW2 BEGINS.
1940-BRITAIN IS OVERPOWERED AND COLLAPSES.
1941-HITLER FINALIZES AN ALLIANCE WITH THE SOVIET UNION. JAPAN AND THE REST OF ASIA ARE FEARFUL OF THIS. THE US DEPLOYS MORE TROOPS TO THE PHILIPPINES AND ASK FOR JAPANESE ASSISTANCE.
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Who overpowers Britain? Surely not Hitler. You can't possibily be implying the marine mammal? :eek::eek::eek::eek:


Hitler forming an alliance with the Communist USSR is out of the question. A non-agression pact is one thing, but actually making common cause with STALIN???? Even his loyal subordinates would have taken a step back at that.

Same goes for Japan & the U.S., unless somehow (and it would be damned near ASB) Japan never goes after China. Japan would actually have to never develop into a military dictatorship to make this possible. Zero probability.

Good luck with your stories, but...
 
Okay so what everyones telling me is that this scenario that I made is to far fetch, but how about some of Turtledove's books like IN THE PRESENCE OF MINE ENEMIES, that was far fetch too, right, and lets not forget JOE STEELE.
 

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Okay so what everyones telling me is that this scenario that I made is to far fetch, but how about some of Turtledove's books like IN THE PRESENCE OF MINE ENEMIES, that was far fetch too, right, and lets not forget JOE STEELE.

Turtledove has published a couple dozen books, some of them quite respected Alt History, some of them utter crap. He has built enough of a fan base that even his crap sells.

Unless you have a major following waiting for your next work, I'd suggest emulating the good stuff.
 
Turtledove has published a couple dozen books, some of them quite respected Alt History, some of them utter crap. He has built enough of a fan base that even his crap sells.

Unless you have a major following waiting for your next work, I'd suggest emulating the good stuff.
Okay, what do you want me to do and say.
 
Okay so what everyones telling me is that this scenario that I made is to far fetch, but how about some of Turtledove's books like IN THE PRESENCE OF MINE ENEMIES, that was far fetch too, right, and lets not forget JOE STEELE.

Not having read In the Presence..., I can't comment on that, although I do know the basic premise. The short story Joe Steele was, I consider, a commentary on the way that many Americans think of their country and political system: evil men may come to power overseas, but that could never happen in the Land of the Free!
However, what was being illustrated in Joe Steele is that, given the right circumstances, a radical dictatorship can emerge pretty much anywhere. I do think he took the parallels with OTL Stalin a little far.

Anyway, I think the problem here is that you are starting off with the point you want to get to (USSR and Axis allied, US and Japan allied), then working backwards from there to try and get there. A better and more logical way to go about it would be to start with the POD (Point of Departure), in this case the assassination of FD, and try to work forards logically from there. Obviously, if you hav certain events in mind, then you should try to include them. But the critical thing is that they should follow logically from what has happened already, rather than just seeming to happen randomly or 'just because that's what happens' (which is how it seems at the moment).

Just my thoughts. I don't want to discourage you entirely... :)
 
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