Prevent Zionism

Is there any way to prevent the movement for a specifically Jewish state some place?

I have to say that I feel Jewish communities in most nations has on the whole promoted the best in socies been a force for good, whereas the state of Israel did require losses for folk living in Palestine before that and resulted in the end of Jewish communities in Arab lands.

By the way does this in fact require a pre 1900 pod
 
Alfred Dreyfus dies during the Franco Prussian war. The Dreyfus affair does not happen and the spark does not happen. The idea that jews need a homeland does not fully form.

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What you need to do first is seperate the two, you can prevent a Jewish State from being formed, however the basic ideas behind Zionism, that is founding a Jewish State and/or retaking Biblical Israel have been around for a millenia, and the direct predecessors to modern Zionism started in the 19th century.
 
To prevent Zionism altogether requires a pre-1900 POD. To prevent it from becoming influential is another story, that could easily happen as late as WWI. The problem is, it would have to be a fairly large POD with wide social influence. Zionism was simply a bad idea whose time had come, but it gained its tractiopn from the utter awfulness that came down on your head for being a Jew in the first half of the twentieth century. You will note that precious few US Jews went to Palestine, for some reason or other. I suspect almost any POD that averts the Holocaust will make Zionism significantly less influential, and a lower profile for political antisemitism in Eastern Europe might even make Jewish Nationalism/Yiddishism a credible competitor for a Jewish national ideology. Western Europe's Jews, if only they were left alone, would quite happily merge into the mainstream of society and require no separate national ideology at all.
 
Zionism was mostly popular among East European Jews, who suffered the harshest persecutions in the 19th century. If you somehow manage to improve the lives of the Jews, then they wouldn't want to leave and there wouldn't be any "Jewish question".
 
I have never understood the denying of the right to a historical homeland for the Jewish people. Maybe if you rid Europe and its native populations rampant antisemitism in the Dark age to present giving people who just practices a non Christian religion there would be no need for the Zionist movement.
Earlier POD stop the Romans from dispersing the Jews from Israel in the 1st place. As for butterflying away Judaism great you just killed 3 major religions and made Mithrism/Buddhism the major religions and while killing off Christianity and Islam is a huge plus you've just doomed the Europeans to a longer Dark Age (no monasteries). The fact is Nationalism was going to rise, Antisemitism is going to favor the formation of a Jewish state somewhere and where better than Israel.
 
I have never understood the denying of the right to a historical homeland for the Jewish people. Maybe if you rid Europe and its native populations rampant antisemitism in the Dark age to present giving people who just practices a non Christian religion there would be no need for the Zionist movement.
Earlier POD stop the Romans from dispersing the Jews from Israel in the 1st place. As for butterflying away Judaism great you just killed 3 major religions and made Mithrism/Buddhism the major religions and while killing off Christianity and Islam is a huge plus you've just doomed the Europeans to a longer Dark Age (no monasteries). The fact is Nationalism was going to rise, Antisemitism is going to favor the formation of a Jewish state somewhere and where better than Israel.

I doubt that the emergence of nationalism is inevitable in a world that radically different. Once ethnic nationalism is there, though,m, you will have a movement to create a Jewish state simply because lazy mental habit will equate Jewishness with ethnic identity. That does not mean it will be influential, though. There have been, and probably still are, movements to create separate states for almost any ethnic group you can imagine, but a large number of them failed spectacularly to gain traction. As I said above, very few American Jews went to Israel, for a simple reason: they were safe and doing fine where they were. Give that to more Jews in Europe, and Zionism will join the Roma homeland and Bavarian independence as interesting Alternate History tie-ins: WI Herzl realised his dream (with obligatory link to his Yiddish wikipedia page because in that reality, only specialist historians know who Theodor Herzl was)
 
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