Prevent the rise of "zero tolerance" policies

Legalize abortion earlier and avoid the use of lead as an additive in paint and gasoline. That might nullify the mid century spike in crime statistics and avoid the hysteria that lead to those policies.
 
No civil rights in the US (your choice of reasons.)

Therefore no need for a dog whistle politics to achieve mass Black and Hispanic incarceration in the US.

Anglo copycat societies find their own unique methods for generalised policing.

Ugly. But fits.

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Sam R.
 

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Less successful women’s liberation movement. Which often supported such policies.
 

Lusitania

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There is nothing generally that could of stopped it. The Zero Tolerance policies are implemented by segments of society attempting to force their views and prejudice against other groups, be they religious, race or age. When ever a segment of the population feels threatened such as Caucasians or conservative adults they lash out against those they feel are disruptors or threat to their way of living. So we had Zero Tolerance against school kids for their "unruly" behavior, we had Zero Tolerance against African Americans or those part of population that were not "Productive" with the three strikes you incarcerated for life. We have Zero Tolerance against immigrants.

All of these actions are instituted by people who view those breaking "their moral" or interpretation of world as not worthy of the same rights they enjoy.
 
I don't see the connection to women's liberation at all.

In general, it was pressure from female voters, predominately female political action/activist groups, and the general feminization of acceptable social norms/behaviors (IE the veiwing of boyish traits rambunctiousness and play aggressiveness as "apparent" vs. the behavior of little girls in schools) which lead to these policies being put into statute. If women aren't given a voice in public affairs, than these pressures don't exist and the policies are unlikely to be adopted as a result.
 

Lusitania

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In general, it was pressure from female voters, predominately female political action/activist groups, and the general feminization of acceptable social norms/behaviors (IE the veiwing of boyish traits rambunctiousness and play aggressiveness as "apparent" vs. the behavior of little girls in schools) which lead to these policies being put into statute. If women aren't given a voice in public affairs, than these pressures don't exist and the policies are unlikely to be adopted as a result.
Sorry but do not agree. The incarceration and immigration Zero Tolerance had nothing to do with female being involved in politics but more to do with my points above.
 
Sorry but do not agree. The incarceration and immigration Zero Tolerance had nothing to do with female being involved in politics but more to do with my points above.

I wasen't responding to your points. I was responding to darklord, as you can see by the fact I was quoting him, and specifically dicussing the school issue (As this is the area in which I am educated; law enforcement isen't exactly my forte) .
 

Lusitania

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I wasen't responding to your points. I was responding to darklord, as you can see by the fact I was quoting him, and specifically dicussing the school issue (As this is the area in which I am educated; law enforcement isen't exactly my forte) .
Yes I know you were responding to only his comment. I was stating that Zero Tolerance in general are not a result of the feminine movement but rather the female and male conservative counter reaction to the Feminine and other liberalization movements. The Zero Tolerance movement ignores any or all social factors causing the supposable infracture. Instead of attempting to deal with the social and mental reasons for the "rule break" it instead only deals with punishment. This same attitude is currently the cause of Zero Tolerance popularity by same segment of the country against immigrants and those it feels are less than them.
 
Zero tolerance is a result of political consultants crafting sound bites for candidates wanting to be tough on crime, it was really not to be an overall solution to solve crime.
For school officials it was a godsend as it removed the responsibility for implementing discipline remedies by getting rid of their discretionary powers and they could say that it was out of their hands because it was the school board policy.
Zero tolerance was more of what happens when you don't think things thru and it creates unintended consequences than an actual conspiracy to criminalise minorities, and to be fair the laws did fall much more harshly on the minority populations then on white suburbanites.
So if you want to stop Zero Tolerance then you have to not have things like political consultants, 30 second campaign ads, the natural desire by the public for easy solutions to complex problems, and the candidates who are willing to do anything to get elected.
 

Lusitania

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Zero tolerance is a result of political consultants crafting sound bites for candidates wanting to be tough on crime, it was really not to be an overall solution to solve crime.
For school officials it was a godsend as it removed the responsibility for implementing discipline remedies by getting rid of their discretionary powers and they could say that it was out of their hands because it was the school board policy.
Zero tolerance was more of what happens when you don't think things thru and it creates unintended consequences than an actual conspiracy to criminalise minorities, and to be fair the laws did fall much more harshly on the minority populations then on white suburbanites.
So if you want to stop Zero Tolerance then you have to not have things like political consultants, 30 second campaign ads, the natural desire by the public for easy solutions to complex problems, and the candidates who are willing to do anything to get elected.

While I do agree with majority of your statements, I wish to clarify that I never stated it was a conspiracy but as you indicated a general disregard to consequences of nice sounding policies that will resonate with parts of the electorate be it on local, state or national level. That biggest issues I think is that these Zero Tolerance policies are for vast majority implemented against people who those in power have less regard because they do not behave like them, believe like them or have then same morals.

Lack of empathy and general disinterest in these peoples plight unfortunately by some of the people saying or implementing these policies make it worse.
 
Proper adherence to the rule of law

The judiciary is supposed to weigh previous etc, and relative harm

It ought not to be possible in a modern society to pass laws destroying both these principles

That it is is because right wingers sing a law abiding constitutional song but do otherwise while in power
 
@ejpsan @Lusitania Keep in mind that school policies are driven by different forces than laws are. For example, I doubt political ads are responsible for students getting suspended for being victims of violence, for bringing knives to cut their lunches, for bringing medications, etc.
 
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@ejpsan @Lusitania Keep in mind that school policies are driven by different forces than laws are. For example, I doubt political ads are responsible for students getting suspended for being victims of violence, for bringing knives to cut their lunches, for bringing medications, etc.
Many of the policies adopted by school boards are the results of laws passed in the various state legislatures that in order to receive extra funding they have to follow tougher rules and regulations.
 
Many of the policies adopted by school boards are the results of laws passed in the various state legislatures that in order to receive extra funding they have to follow tougher rules and regulations.
You said that, "For school officials it was a godsend as it removed the responsibility for implementing discipline remedies by getting rid of their discretionary powers and they could say that it was out of their hands because it was the school board policy." That sounded like you were saying that the school board sets the policy.
 

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Many of the policies adopted by school boards are the results of laws passed in the various state legislatures that in order to receive extra funding they have to follow tougher rules and regulations.

Correct. Conservatives in the 1990s decided that they needed to restablish American morals and made a concerted to influence both local and school boards.

Also as indicated before many school administrators have given up managing student behavior and advocating for student rights. Instead it is easier to just hide behind zero tolerances. It seems very few care what the personal, family or society circumstances that led a student to behave a certain way.

At one time conservative Americans were some of the most socially involved individuals, volunteering for many causes. Today that has changed as people are afraid of mixing with those that are of different faiths, backgrounds and races. While some may still volunteer it is for organizations that appeal to their morals and political beliefs and have very little impact to those of different faith, backgrounds or races.

Many not all Americans on both sides have seemed to given up on the other side and that leads them to have less emphathy and tolerance for those they not view as meriting they emphathy.

Why I made these statements is because that these trends will exasperate the zero tolerance attitudes. If people do not feel people are worth their time and effort additional legislation and zero tolerances will appear making life difficult if not intolerable to those on the receiving end of these policies.

What happens when some politician upset at the students dress code demands that all student attending public school dress inschool uniform. Will this public school initiative improve marks /schools or actually prevent some of the most poor from attending school for lack of $ to buy uniform. This is just a small example of moral inspired politicians enacting a zero tolerance policy that can and will have negative consequences to students.
 
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Reduce american society's moralistic through multiple ways, either by preventing Carter/Reagan in the white house, avoiding watergate, avoiding Bill Clinton, having some sort of national healthcare*, avoiding Obama**

Avoid either reaganism or Bill clinton style rockefeller republicanism in democrats to remove conditions for it.

Quieter 60s and 70s to avoid "backlash" type politics and the resulting even more authoritarian coutner-backlash politics.

* Reducing the ability to ruin people/making the US less of a dog eat dog dystopia.
** He was the perfect vehicle to take Clintonite neoliberalism to new heights, plus make politics about virtue signalling/displaying you're not a bad white person(read: being white and not rich/"professional")
 
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