Prevent Ottoman conquest of the Balkans?
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Yes. Just have the earthquake that happened in Gallipoli don't happen and the Ottomans attention during this period focused elsewhere.
Earthquake might be bit difficult to butterfly away. But perhaps someone creates strong Roman Empire who cuould resist Ottomans.
True about the earthquake actually, so have the Byzantines not abandon the town could be a good start.
Does having the Balkans reconquered quickly by a powerful European power count?
I was thinking of Hungary especially; if Tamerlane goes further into Anatolia and decimates them, while the Ottomans' power base may have been in Europe by that point, if they spend enough time trying to fight them and drain themselves...
But, the Byzantines were probably too weak by this time.
I was thinking of Hungary especially; if Tamerlane goes further into Anatolia and decimates them, while the Ottomans' power base may have been in Europe by that point, if they spend enough time trying to fight them and drain themselves...
But, the Byzantines were probably too weak by this time.
What if they still win Gallipoli but fail at Adrianople (Edirne)?
Would that be enough to later kick them out of Thrace?
Would that be enough to later kick them out of Thrace?
You'll probably need a strong balkanic state. The way I see it, Byzantines were out of course in post-1204 era, Serbian Empire was a mock Roman Empire, letting Bulgaria on the run.
Nerfing Bulgarians wouldn't be that easy, but can be done : more crushing victory against Latins (enough to take Constantinople, but not Greece proper) followed by an alliance with west (OTL, Tsars were at first quite close of Latin church, allowing for a lasting union), preventing Mongols raids in Hungary and Bulgaria...
An imperial Bulgaria could be more cohesive, and avoid its OTL desintegration at least enough to prevent Ottomans to get an hold on Balkans. It may, but it would be quite of a wank, sattelize not only Latin states but anatolian Greek states (admitting first that Mongols blew the shit off Turks, letting Ottomans in existance but in a reduced situation).
Nerfing Bulgarians wouldn't be that easy, but can be done : more crushing victory against Latins (enough to take Constantinople, but not Greece proper) followed by an alliance with west (OTL, Tsars were at first quite close of Latin church, allowing for a lasting union), preventing Mongols raids in Hungary and Bulgaria...
An imperial Bulgaria could be more cohesive, and avoid its OTL desintegration at least enough to prevent Ottomans to get an hold on Balkans. It may, but it would be quite of a wank, sattelize not only Latin states but anatolian Greek states (admitting first that Mongols blew the shit off Turks, letting Ottomans in existance but in a reduced situation).
Somehow have Louis of Hungary not Inherit Poland, I think one POD would be Elisabeth of Poland marrying a suitable successor for Casimir III or Casimir III having a son, I think Louis of Hungary has a chance of expelling the Turks from the Balkans.
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