Presidential Administrations of the United Socialist States of Earth

[Libertad]

LET'S GET STARTED!

From 1932 to 199,932 AD... Mwahahaha...

Credits to Jello Biafra, Big Tex, Abhakhazia and MrHuman for inspiring me in making this.
Others are welcome to put their winners for the next elections to... infinity... From there, I'll try to put something in-between, expanding the material, with your suggestions in how to do that.

But these are under certain conditions:

1. The official name of our USSE is not USSE but 'The Great Republic of the United States'.

2. There's a gradual expansion of the United States until it reached the solar system whatever.

3. It will not ally itself with the Soviet Union. We'll have that cold or hot war, whatever you decide, against the "degenerated Soviets". Decide what will happen to other powers like the Axis, the French and the British.

OK!

EDITED:

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS OF THE GREAT REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES

1789: George Washington (Independent)
.........
1904: Charles Fairbanks (Republican) over...[1]
1908: William Howard Taft (Republican) over...
1912: William Howard Taft (Republican) over....
1916: Thomas Marshall (Democratic) over...
1920: Leonard Wood (Republican) over...
1924: Leonard Wood (Republican) over...
1928: Herbert Hoover (Republican) over...
1932: Franklin Roosevelt/Huey Long (Democratic-Farmer-Labor/Democratic/Republican) over Norman Thomas/Upton Sinclair (United Workers' Communist/Independent Socialist Labor) and Coolidge/Garner (Conservative) [2]
1936: Franklin Roosevelt/Huey Long (Democratic-Republican) ....
1940: Franklin Roosevelt/Huey Long (Democratic-Republican)
1944: Franklin Roosevelt/Huey Long (Democratic-Republican)
1948: ? .... (Socialist Workers)
1952:
1956:
1960:
1964:
1968:
1972:
1976:
1980:
1984:
1988:
1992:
1996:
2000:
2004:
2008:
2012: Francois Hollande/Lim Guang Eng (Socialist Workers) (not really strict on the butterfly effect) over.... (Democratic-Republican) ....

[1] All elections from 1904-1928 are based on both v.1 and v.2 of Jello Biafra's Red Dawn timeline.

[2] Franklin Delano Roosevelt inherited a nation battered by the great downfall of the classical capitalist system through the Great Capitalist Depression of 1930 and was heavily polarized by the increasingly ferocious battle between labor and capital that began in the early years of the 20th century.

Roosevelt won a very close election in the Electoral College despite Norman Thomas winning the popular vote and the Socialist Workers' Coalition taking the majority of state governments and capturing the House of Representatives. Big business was very confused on how to react to the explosion of popular allegiance towards socialism, though not exactly towards the Marxist-DeLeonist program of the SWC but also towards Farmer-Labor's nationalist cooperative economics, Southern agrarian democratic socialism, etc. Part of their reaction was their desperation in stopping the tide of revolutionary socialism by having the Republican Party form a coalition with the reform socialists from the Democrats and Democrat-Farmer-Labor, supported by President Hoover. Those who were against this move would move to the Southern auxiliary party of the Republicans, the Conservative Party, where they were joined by disgruntled Bourbon Democrats. The socialist shift would nevertheless be strengthened by the McArthur coup d' etat of 1933, the assassination attempt over outgoing President Herbert Hoover that preferred compromise to the socialists, the World War I veterans' demonstration in Washington and the General Strike in response to the coup d'etat; all bringing the nation on the brink of civil war. Out of this chaos came the Great Compromise of 1933, which made the already revolutionary New Deal program even more revolutionary especially when certain figures of the big business community were found to be supporting the McArthur coup d' etat attempt.

 

[d32123]

Sorry that I was unable to contribute. I'd been really busy with finals. I'll help some as we get closer to modern times for sure.

 

[Libertad]

Sorry that I was unable to contribute. I'd been really busy with finals. I'll help some as we get closer to modern times for sure.

Don't worry comrade. It would be fine.

Good luck on your finals!

 

[Red Arturoist]

Mr. Human and I had originally collaborated on the plan of doing a United States of Earth electoral maps for presidential elections.

The plan is for the election of Hollande/Lim Guang Eng ticket from the Socialist Workers' Party for the 2012 elections.

Mr. Human though said that he's just too busy right now for this continue. I've contacted d32123 and he said that he's interested in my model of forming this United States of Earth but he's not that good in mapmaking. Still not getting any responses from person right now though.

I'm actually looking to PM you Abhakhazia, XNM, vultan Turquoise Blue and black angel (if you're reading this) but just decided to post up here.


It's unfortunate that I don't know... YET how to make maps. And the number of states are still on the planning stages. I do hope someone might be interested and helped out in map making.

Given my political bias, my model of having 'The Great Republic of the United States' (a planned official name for the future global United States of Ameriwank by Big Tex) is for the United States of America to move gradually to socialism on part of the model of Jello Biafra's Reds series but without the full blown revolution part, but with a possible violent coup d' etat though. It would then slowly adopt a uniquely patriotically oriented internationalist expansionism slogan in seeing America as a base for permanent world revolution, in using the Trotskyite concept, with an already available blueprints for the creation of a future global society through its historical development, being a "universal nation" and home of mankind's many races and religions, and its constitutional and political traditions. And let's just say that by 2012, the Great Republic of the United States is already global.

The three major political parties plan are still around: There's the Socialist Workers' Party, the Democratic-Republican Party and the Republican Party.... with various minor political parties worldwide.
The Socialist Workers' Party started out as a coalition between the Workers' Party of America and the Independent Socialist Labor Party. The Republican Party is yeah, the Republican Party. The Democratic-Republican Party started as more of a coalition between the Democratic Party, the Democrat-Farmers-Labor Party with the splinter group of my alternate NEW DEAL Republicans.

Yeah, FDR won a close 1932 election as a joint candidate of DFL, Democrats and Republicans to stop the popular tide to revolutionary socialism on the part of the Socialist Workers' Coalition. The Compromise of 1933 and my coup d' etat would cement America's new historical path.

Now suggestions!

2012 candidates for the New Democrats (Democratic-Republican Party) and the Republicans!

Suggestions on the division of the world into states would be very helpful too!

DRAFT CHINESE STATES

1. Hebei
2. Hennan
3. Manchuria
4. Anhui
5. Fujian
6. Guangdong
7. Guangxi
8. Hainan
9. Yunnan
10. Guizhou
11. Hunnan
12. Jiangxi
13. Zheijang
14. Jiangsu
15. Shandong
16. Shanxi
17. Sichuan
18. Qinghai
19. Gansu
20. Taiwan
21. Tibet
22. East Turkestan
23. Shaanxi
24. South Mongolia

States of Europe Proposal:

Spain
Catalonia (to appease secessionists and get rid of unfair representation)
North France
South France
East Germany (yes, the former DDR)
South Germany (Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria)
West Germany (from Saarland to Schleswig-Holstein)
Beneluxia
North Italy
South Italy
Portugal as one state
England
Wales
Ireland
Scotland
maybe Northern Ireland)
Greece
Romania
Bulgaria
East Thrace with Istanbul
Croatia
Bosnia
Serbia
Kosovo
Albania
Hungary
Austria
Poland
Scandinavia (I would form a single state of Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark)
Baltica
Greenland/Iceland territory
Cyprus

Indochina:

North Vietnam
South Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Kra (Peninsular Malaysia plus peninsular Thailand)
Bangkok (Greater Bangkok)
Thailand (north of Thailand)

Indonesia:
North Sumatra
Riau (Central Sumatra) maybe
South Sumatra

alternatively: Aceh, North Sumatra, South Sumatra

Banten
West Java
Central Java
Jakarta
East Java (including Bali)
Yogyakarta
Sulawesi
Papua (all of the island)
Kalimantan (all of the island as one state, including Malaysia and Brunei)

East Asia:

North Korea (yes, this division will be one state, not in it's Juche form naturally)
Central Korea
South Korea
Hokkaido
North Honshu
Tokyo-Yokohama (that alone is a California!)
South Honshu
Ryukyu
Okinawa
Taiwan

 

[Superaquaspiderbatman]

Uhm....

FDR wasn't socialist, AFAIK? Or is there a revolution planned?

But yeah, this just proves that one man's utopia is another man's dystopia Looking forward to seeing how this is going to proceed. Also: Why split Korea in 3?

 

[Red Arturoist]

FDR wasn't socialist, AFAIK? Or is there a revolution planned?

But yeah, this just proves that one man's utopia is another man's dystopia Looking forward to seeing how this is going to proceed. Also: Why split Korea in 3?

South Korea OTL has 50 million population, so overdue representation unless states bigger than CA are allowed.

Starting on a map so that others can also suggest states... Please do!

EDIT: I will also have proposed some territories on the map. And national borders now equal state ones.

Areas where I did not yet propose states are to be done, are left in their original colours!

 

[Red Arturoist]

My states. National borders are states borders if both sides of the border are US-coloured.

And I also built in some territories!

 

[Libertad]

FDR wasn't socialist, AFAIK? Or is there a revolution planned?

But yeah, this just proves that one man's utopia is another man's dystopia Looking forward to seeing how this is going to proceed. Also: Why split Korea in 3?

I know. A liberal progressive for OTL. FDR is not a socialist, of course. But this is a different timeline. Using Jello's Red Dawn as my inspiration, A revolutionary socialist movement gained momentum in the first 33 years of 20th century but it's difference from him is while a splinter group of Democrats, Democrat-Farmer-Labor formed like in his TL, this party in my model soon developed its own socialist ideology as well as a growing group of southern Democrats as the Solid South starts to no longer look solid by the middle of the 1920s. The Republicans then proceeded to look more like a European social democratic party as part of its plans to retain a 'permanent majority government' until the Great Depression came, sparking the end of the Fourth Party System and the start of the Fifth Party System, as other parties try to stop the tide of revolutionary socialism and form a coalition under FDR. The 1932 elections became more of a battle between reformist socialism against revolutionary socialism. Old conservatives banded together under the Southern auxiliary party of the Republicans, the Conservative Party, under the ticket of Coolidge/Garner.

As part as the Korean states are concerned, I'm looking forward to see just a single Korean state.

 

[Libertad]

Indochina:

North Vietnam
South Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Kra (Peninsular Malaysia plus peninsular Thailand)
Bangkok (Greater Bangkok)
Thailand (north of Thailand)

Indonesia:
North Sumatra
Riau (Central Sumatra) maybe
South Sumatra

alternatively: Aceh, North Sumatra, South Sumatra

Banten
West Java
Central Java
Jakarta
East Java (including Bali)
Yogyakarta
Sulawesi
Papua (all of the island)
Kalimantan (all of the island as one state, including Malaysia and Brunei)

East Asia:

North Korea (yes, this division will be one state, not in it's Juche form naturally)
Central Korea
South Korea
Hokkaido
North Honshu
Tokyo-Yokohama (that alone is a California!)
South Honshu
Ryukyu
Okinawa
Taiwan

My model of expansion was that Southerners, despite adopting more internationalism in their attitudes, would not like SO MANY non-white dominated states, at least during the 1930s and as long as civil rights are still not moving forward in the American South.

Which is why as Latin America gradually turn socialist by the 1930s and pan-Americanism gain momentum; I see Mexico enter the Union AS A SINGLE STATE.

Yes, Mexicans would get many, many congressmen... but just two senators.


I just came up with a list of Chinese states, because it's easy to come up with them. That's just how they would look in my opinion at TTL 2012.

For the Japanese states; Hunam's Japanese states in his 51st state timeline is a good model: we'll have 9 of them; Hokkaido, Okinawa, Kanto, Kansai, Chubu, Chugoku, Kyushu, Shikoku and Tohoku based on OTL major regions of the country.

These 9 states might most likely be admitted rather than just as 4 states based on the major island groups, which would most likely be suggested by more racist politicians.

As far as the European states, this is where they'll approve of "the more, the merrier" idea of getting so many of them around. That's why the ones you've created in my opinion are just... TOO FEW.

OTL Third World independence movements would most likely become integrated statehood movements, which would be supporting entrance as US states co-equal with those from Europe and North America and rejecting the concept of putting Asia, the Middle East and Africa under peripheral federations governed by the President of the "Core United States", but having separate legislatures and judiciary.

 

[Red Arturoist]

My model of expansion was that Southerners, despite adopting more internationalism in their attitudes, would not like SO MANY non-white dominated states, at least during the 1930s and as long as civil rights are still not moving forward in the American South.

Which is why as Latin America gradually turn socialist by the 1930s and pan-Americanism gain momentum; I see Mexico enter the Union AS A SINGLE STATE.

Interesting. Then admit Syria+Jordan+Palestine+Iraqi Remnant as single, Laos+Cambodia+N. Vietnam singlely,

Yes, Mexicans would get many, many congressmen... but just two senators.


I just came up with a list of Chinese states, because it's easy to come up with them. That's just how they would look in my opinion at TTL 2012.

For the Japanese states; Hunam's Japanese states in his 51st state timeline is a good model: we'll have 9 of them; Hokkaido, Okinawa, Kanto, Kansai, Chubu, Chugoku, Kyushu, Shikoku and Tohoku based on OTL major regions of the country.

Did that on the map (I think)

These 9 states might most likely be admitted rather than just as 4 states based on the major island groups, which would most likely be suggested by more racist politicians.

So my suggestion is still useful.

As far as the European states, this is where they'll approve of "the more, the merrier" idea of getting so many of them around. That's why the ones you've created in my opinion are just... TOO FEW.

If you need as many european states as possible:

Admit each of the 16 German Länder as a state
Admit the 22 regions of Mainland France as states, 5 Overseas Regions as territories.
The same with Poland and other bigger countries, e.g. 20 Italian provinces.

OTL Third World independence movements would most likely become integrated statehood movements, which would be supporting entrance as US states co-equal with those from Europe and North America and rejecting the concept of putting Asia, the Middle East and Africa under peripheral federations governed by the President of the "Core United States", but having separate legislatures and judiciary.

So Kurdistan as a state was okay?

 

[Libertad]

So Kurdistan as a state was okay?

I'm not really sure yet about Kurdistan.... or the entire Middle East in particular.

Your European state suggestions are something I'm also thinking about.

Your Japan state suggestions are the once in the map actually, not the 9 regions or even the 4 island groups, at least not exactly.

Hmmm.

EDIT: I've actually gotten tired of this thing...very quickly. So, I think this would be in hiatus. But for others who would like to continue this.... Please be free to do so.... whether it's a USE or a USSE or GRUS.... it's fine.