President Obama Lynched By Far Right Wing Secret Service Members

I'm fairly sure that the Secret Service has a world of difference between "some members with dubious views on race" and "people who would Literally Assassinate a Sitting President or President-Elect". Now the project of either the secret service turning into a Praetorian Guard that effectively controls the president or the infiltration by very hard-right types with a bit of a white nationalist/milita streak and the ensuing political fallout when this is discovered is interesting but that's not quite the same.

Also, am I the only person who gets bothered by the "Obama Killed" ideas? I know people like to play with him out of the picture, but is "Having to resign due to a treatable but arduous illness or undiagnosed heart condition that will require him to undertake less strenuous work" or "dying while at home reading from said undiagnosed condition" if you really want to off him"? It's a bit less creepy frankly.
 

Anchises

Banned
It might be deemed unthinkable that the historic administration before Obama would meet this description, but what if the prior administration were dominated by dogmatic racists? What if the Secret Service were over an 8 year period gradually purged in favor of racist beliefs, and in the interim between the election and the new President-Elect taking office, the operation were planned with the outgoing President and key staff knowing all about it. (But plausible deniability holds; the higher administrative involvement is kept off the record, no paper trail, and the agents involved are willing to sacrifice themselves and keep silent--in fact, after the job is done they commit "honorable" suicide so no one can question them).

I will admit I figured it was quite possible the Bush administration might leave Obama a SS that was, if not transformed into such a monolithic spear, at any rate salted with people who might not be as reliable on the "race does not matter" assumption as posters here have so blithely assumed. It is not like the kind of racism perpetuating Justice Taney's "no rights a white man is bound to respect" attitude is unknown in the USA, I would guess that at least 1 percent of self-identified "white" people and maybe an order of magnitude higher are that extreme, at least they think they are, having not dared themselves into acting on their beliefs in an extreme manner. But the 1 percent would include a lot of people who have. Most of these would go around sporting swastika tattoos and have a criminal record (indeed prison is probably where a
I'm fairly sure that the Secret Service has a world of difference between "some members with dubious views on race" and "people who would Literally Assassinate a Sitting President or President-Elect". Now the project of either the secret service turning into a Praetorian Guard that effectively controls the president or the infiltration by very hard-right types with a bit of a white nationalist/milita streak and the ensuing political fallout when this is discovered is interesting but that's not quite the same.

Also, am I the only person who gets bothered by the "Obama Killed" ideas? I know people like to play with him out of the picture, but is "Having to resign due to a treatable but arduous illness or undiagnosed heart condition that will require him to undertake less strenuous work" or "dying while at home reading from said undiagnosed condition" if you really want to off him"? It's a bit less creepy frankly.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. The dystopian potential of an Assassination is much bigger than something "mundane".

For a TL that is mainly interested in a different President to explore how another set of policies would have influenced the TL an assasination might be overkill.

But if you want to create a "Crapsack World/USA" killing Obama is a powerful tool. The whole enthusiasm he sparked during his first campaign trail could easily turn into revolutionary energy imho.

So in a way I understand why he is killed so often in TLs.

That being said:

A TL where the Secret Service turns into a Praetorian Guard post WW2 sounds like mad fun! Might open a thread later.
 
This post does raise an interesting question, to my mind, though: Assuming that something more "realistic" (but still near ASB territory) happened, similar to what @Anchises described, could this actually prevent the rise of the "alt-right"? Or would it give it strength?

I could see it going either way, personally. It might garner sympathy for the black community, possibly minorities/marginalized groups in general, and also give reason for there to be a harsher scrutiny of the far right, both by the public and government agencies. Or, it could excite that same group and (despite what would be, as already said, a "MASSIVE nationwide crackdown") encourage them. I tend to lean towards the first, but anyone else care to chime in?
 

cpip

Gone Fishin'
An ex SS member (as a German this abbreviation REALLY troubles me :D) that radicalized would be interesting actually.

Which is why the Secret Service strongly prefers the abbreviation USSS. The US Secret Service predates the Schutzstaffel, though.
 

Anchises

Banned
This post does raise an interesting question, to my mind, though: Assuming that something more "realistic" (but still near ASB territory) happened, similar to what @Anchises described, could this actually prevent the rise of the "alt-right"? Or would it give it strength?

I could see it going either way, personally. It might garner sympathy for the black community, possibly minorities/marginalized groups in general, and also give reason for there to be a harsher scrutiny of the far right, both by the public and government agencies. Or, it could excite that same group and (despite what would be, as already said, a "MASSIVE nationwide crackdown") encourage them. I tend to lean towards the first, but anyone else care to chime in?

Personally I think the far-right would have gained strength in the long run in such a scenario.

One of my personal political beliefs is that the far right will "win" (in the sense they will come out stronger than the far left) most of the times if a spiral of political violence escalates in a developed nation.

The far left has a redistributory streak that "scares" the Middle Class and the Upper Class. And the massive energy that Obama sparked would quickly turn into something destructive if the "Change" platform is ended so rapidly and violently.

Initially most of the overtly racist groups would be weeded out. By the FBI in a nationwide crackdown and by the public in a storm of outrage.

This would completely change the far right. The new leaders would be people more skilled in the dog whistle game.

The far left would meanwhile try to coopt the outrage. "Fuck the Banks and fight racism"

Initially the public would feel sympathy with marginalized groups but at some point protests would turn violent, stores would be looted and Police Officers would be injured.

And this would spark fears of a "Revolutionary Redistribution of Wealth".

At this point the new leaders of the Far Right can talk about "Law and Order" while blowing the right dog whistles. Protecting some stores from being looted etc.

This is always going to resonate better with middle class voters than "hey maybe share your money with poor people".

Left wing extremism "wins" after a critical mass of people that have nothing to lose is surpassed.

tl,dr: Initially the far right would be gravely weakened but in the long run it would adapt and come out stronger because it strives on chaos.
 

I'm extremely skeptical about the ability of a conspiracy that big to keep quiet. And once it leaks.... hoooo boy, if you think the current president has problems with the law... Trump has, to our knowledge, not yet had anyone killed. Especially not a very popular, dynamic, young president. The Secret Service would see a purge of its ranks that Stalin would approve of, with the armed forces providing a short term bodyguard to President Biden, probably one provided by the USMC. Any surviving conspirators... well the best they can hope for is to spend the rest of their lives behind bars, because the options are that, death row, or being torn apart by an angry mob.
 
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I find this thread not working, Secret Service agents who are republicans have never killed a democratic president despite how much they hate him and neither have Secret Service agents who are democrats.
 
I find this thread not working, Secret Service agents who are republicans have never killed a democratic president despite how much they hate him and neither have Secret Service agents who are democrats.

I could imagine one slipping through the cracks and shooting him - it only takes one, after all - but several lynching him implies that American democracy is already dead.
 
I could imagine one slipping through the cracks and shooting him - it only takes one, after all - but several lynching him implies that American democracy is already dead.

Either that or someone decided building a time machine and only recruiting agents from the Praetorian Guard was a brilliant idea.
 
I could imagine one slipping through the cracks and shooting him - it only takes one, after all - but several lynching him implies that American democracy is already dead.
And also, other none neo-Nazi secret service agents would not stand idly and watch a president gets lynch.
 
But if you want to create a "Crapsack World/USA" killing Obama is a powerful tool. The whole enthusiasm he sparked during his first campaign trail could easily turn into revolutionary energy imho.

So in a way I understand why he is killed so often in TLs.

I recognize that "Dugout Doug" gets killed off in TL after TL on this forum, but I was not aware that Obama was faced with the same treatment! If this is true, does that mean that threads suggesting that someone would spit-roast (not the porn way) the Eric-Cartman-act-alike would be OK?
 
And also, other none neo-Nazi secret service agents would not stand idly and watch a president gets lynch.

Indeed. If you want Obama lynched, you'd basically need a bunch of Neo-Nazi's and ex-Klan members deciding to form a battalion sized paramilitary unit for that sole purpose. And they'd need to get their hands on heavy weapons or even armored vehicles without anyone noticing, and then getting to Washington, setting up, and launching their assault with full surprise. And they're going to need to succeed in half an hour or less, because if they're still trying to breach the White House by that point... well let's just say they're not getting in at all once the reaction team from the Marine Barracks rolls up. And even then, if they can't pressure the entire fence at once, I imagine some ballsy pilot on Marine One could land with the White House as cover and evacuate the First Family in less then five minutes.
 
Indeed. If you want Obama lynched, you'd basically need a bunch of Neo-Nazi's and ex-Klan members deciding to form a battalion sized paramilitary unit for that sole purpose. And they'd need to get their hands on heavy weapons or even armored vehicles without anyone noticing, and then getting to Washington, setting up, and launching their assault with full surprise. And they're going to need to succeed in half an hour or less, because if they're still trying to breach the White House by that point... well let's just say they're not getting in at all once the reaction team from the Marine Barracks rolls up. And even then, if they can't pressure the entire fence at once, I imagine some ballsy pilot on Marine One could land with the White House as cover and evacuate the First Family in less then five minutes.
Also i presume any secret service members is kept a eye on so they do not get in the wrong contact.
 
Indeed. If you want Obama lynched, you'd basically need a bunch of Neo-Nazi's and ex-Klan members deciding to form a battalion sized paramilitary unit for that sole purpose. And they'd need to get their hands on heavy weapons or even armored vehicles without anyone noticing, and then getting to Washington, setting up, and launching their assault with full surprise. And they're going to need to succeed in half an hour or less, because if they're still trying to breach the White House by that point... well let's just say they're not getting in at all once the reaction team from the Marine Barracks rolls up. And even then, if they can't pressure the entire fence at once, I imagine some ballsy pilot on Marine One could land with the White House as cover and evacuate the First Family in less then five minutes.

Isn't that basically the plot of White House Down?
 
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