President Judah P. Benjamin

Robert,

And far too similar to an actual, well publicized, comeback by Benjamin Disraeli much earlier.

When you steal it's always best to steal from the best. ;)



Bill

Very true. Kind of brings up a another thing I have wondered about in thinking about this thread...if Judah Benjamin took office as President of the Confederacy in March 1869 (having won election in November 1868)and served until March 1876, Benjamin Disraeli would have been Prime Minister of Great Britain during part of that time. It would be interesting to see how those two got along.
 
Interesting idea based on this:

The CSA prospers under the Benjamin and following administrations allying with Britain and France. The United States drifts toward Russia who were friendly with the Union in the first place. As Jewish immigrants pour into the US in the late 19th Century anti-Semitic orators become popular. In the early 1900s US and Russia go to war again against the CSA, Britain, and Germany (due to butterflies the UK is more friendly with Germany and eventually become allies). and loses. Anti-Semites win elections in the US and it all goes down....
 
You know what, it seems that if Turtledove is to be believed, Blacks would be the only minority in the CSA that AREN'T oppressed. Indians join the CSA because they hate the Union, Hispanics from Cuba and northern Mexico are tolerated, and so are Jews.
Funny, huh.:D:rolleyes:
 
You know what, it seems that if Turtledove is to be believed, Blacks would be the only minority in the CSA that AREN'T oppressed. Indians join the CSA because they hate the Union, Hispanics from Cuba and northern Mexico are tolerated, and so are Jews.
Funny, huh.:D:rolleyes:

Well, that tends to be the case everywhere. The largest...and most "threatening"...group is actively hated, and the other minorities are mostly tolerated, so long as they join in hating the "threatening" group. Out West, for example, depending on the area, ones sees Asians, Mexicans, or Native Americans in the position blacks filled in the South. In some areas of the North, you even had white sub-ethnicities like the Irish, Italians, or Poles filling that role in different areas. It doesn't even have to be a racial thing. It's just, who is the most threatening to the majority population of a given area.
 
You know what, it seems that if Turtledove is to be believed, Blacks would be the only minority in the CSA that AREN'T oppressed. Indians join the CSA because they hate the Union, Hispanics from Cuba and northern Mexico are tolerated, and so are Jews.
Funny, huh.


Only if you mean funny-strange, or "funny how he gets that so wrong."

Turtledove is not to be believed. He's an entertaining writer who loves handwaving problems away with ASBs.

Most Tejanos were pro Union.

Most Indians in the North and many in the South were pro Union, esp Lumbee.

Some, like the Catawba and Eastern Band Cherokee, felt they had no choice but to join the CSA or be destroyed.

And like so many have pointed out already in this very thread, Benjamin faced his share of anti Semitism.

I'd like to see the Confed apologists explain away the Knights of Mary Phagan if the South was supposedly so free of anti Semitism.
 
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