President Cheney

[Street_Disciple]

xxx[/FONT] Okay, lets say the passengeers are unable to surpress the hijackers in 9/1 in the flight to Washington. It crashes into the whitehouse, killing the President. Cheney now takes theb presidential seat sucessing him as vice president. Do we still enter Iraq (the so-called "gathering threat")?

 

[MerryPrankster]

Bush wasn't in the White House on 9/11; he was reading to a bunch of kindergarteners in Florida.

If you want Bush to die for an ATL, simply have him choke to death on the pretzel.

 

[Grey Wolf]

Bush wasn't in the White House on 9/11; he was reading to a bunch of kindergarteners in Florida.

If you want Bush to die for an ATL, simply have him choke to death on the pretzel.

Yup, Cheney was in the White House

But assuming we achieve this one way or another there would be war. Cheney is at the heart of the new imperialism, is even more tied up to the money-grabbing corporations than Bush is, and as all his pronouncements on WMD have shown he most certainly doesn't give a monkey's ass about the truth, just wants to get his way

Grey Wolf

 

[Michael E Johnson]

---Cheney is at the heart of the new imperialism, is even more tied up to the money-grabbing corporations than Bush is, and as all his pronouncements on WMD have shown he most certainly doesn't give a monkey's ass about the truth, just wants to get his way
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Now,Now.You have to get with the GOP line.It's all the intelligence agencies fault.Poor Cheney,Bush,Powell,Rice,Rumsfeld and all those other poor trusting Republican souls were mislead by faulty intelligence

 

[Mako-Chan]

Yup, Cheney was in the White House

But assuming we achieve this one way or another there would be war. Cheney is at the heart of the new imperialism, is even more tied up to the money-grabbing corporations than Bush is, and as all his pronouncements on WMD have shown he most certainly doesn't give a monkey's ass about the truth, just wants to get his way

Grey Wolf

Hey, Grey Wolf tone it down a little. It's one thing to state an opinion, it's quite another to use inflammatory language. I don't want to see several dozen neo-cons and liberals getting into a 20 page yelling contest over Iraq... That's what the chat room here is for!

 

[wakie]

Everything that I have heard place Cheney as the most influential VP in history. Let's be honest here. Like this administration or hate it, Cheney's the one calling the shots. Bush is brought out to smile and wave. Bush has taken more vacation than any other President in history. Cheney has taken almost no vacation and is known for working around the clock.

If Bush chokes on the pretzel nothing really changes policy-wise. I'd be more interested in who the Republicans would elevate to VP. Frist? Powell? Rice? Ridge? Rumsfeld? Jeb Bush? It would be interesting considering that it was Cheney who headed the committe which searched for a Bush running mate in the first place.

 

[Kuralyov]

Not Powell; he's had too many disagreements with Bush. Rice is a black woman, so I don't think Cheney'd pick her. Jeb they need to get Florida again, Ridge is a virtual unknown at this point (if it's pre-9/11)...Rummy maybe, Wolfowitz can do a good job running the military.

Or maybe McCain?

 

[Grey Wolf]

VPs come from diverse backgrounds - how about Ashcroft or Perle even ? I don't know which one I would find the scariest !

Grey Wolf

 

[Archangel Michael]

Ashcroft scares me, and I think that he's running President Bush's Ultra-Secret Classified Police that only a few peope know about.
Actually, when I was doing research about the American Nazi Party, I found a website that gave Ashcroft the award for 'The Person Who Keeps the People Down' or something like that. So, the Nazi's must admire him, or just those few people who run that website.

 

[Ian the Admin]

A Cheney administration would probably be really unpopular. The Bush administration's actions are somewhat softpedaled in the eyes of Joe Average by Bush himself seeming like a folksy down-home guy. Cheney is a lot easier to dislike.

 

[David Howery]

I always thought of Cheney as a conservative.. is he?

 

[Valamyr]

I believe the word "ultra-conservative" would suit Cheney better. He's definitely more so than Bush.

 

[wakie]

No way Cheney would put McCain in the VP spot. He's too much of a maverick for this administration. Powell is blocked due to his ethnicity. The GOP isn't going to place him that close to the Presidency.

Hmm ... this would be a real battle, as whoever gets the position would be considered "heir apparent". With Cheney's heart being as bad as it is it is also highly likely that this person could be Pres. Plus the GOP wouldn't want to lose one of their people in a "power position". My gut says they wheel out Bob Dole and make him VP. He's an experienced insider who won't run for President after Cheney. And it would be the ultimate payoff for years and years in the GOP.

 

[Norman]

pragmatic conservative

Actually Cheney would probably be more openly pragmatic than GWB, although just as conservative.

To be honest, at first, like a lot of the other responses, I thought GWB was dancing to Cheney's tune. I have come to the conclusion that Bush is basically running the place, and doing a pretty wretched job, but this is (of course) a personal opinion.

What would happen? Two things, if GWB is assassinated as part of 9/11, you get an even greater national outcry, and a great deal of sympathy for the adminsitration.

The US would gear up and hunt down Osama, and, as in OTL, probably not find him.

It is an open question as to whether we (the US) would have attacked Iraq. I do not believe so, in that I believe there is a bit of 'I'll finish what my Dad started' in the whole thing.

 

[Michael E Johnson]

--Rice is a black woman, so I don't think Cheney'd pick her.---


---- Powell is blocked due to his ethnicity. The GOP isn't going to place him that close to the Presidency.---




While its good to see that others recognize that the GOP wouldnt nominate black candidates for president or vp ,I'm shocked here. Whenever I mention the same thing the thread becomes bogged down with denials and apologists.Whats up with that?

 

[Abdul Hadi Pasha]

--Rice is a black woman, so I don't think Cheney'd pick her.---

---- Powell is blocked due to his ethnicity. The GOP isn't going to place him that close to the Presidency.---

While its good to see that others recognize that the GOP wouldnt nominate black candidates for president or vp ,I'm shocked here. Whenever I mention the same thing the thread becomes bogged down with denials and apologists.Whats up with that?

Are you kidding? She would be his first choice - "See, look! Republicans like negroes too!". And for an added benefit, he could safely jettison Powell.

 

[MerryPrankster]

Don't worry, Michael, I'm certain that the GOP wouldn't block Powell outright b/c he's black. However, Cheney is one of Bush's "hardliners" and Powell is more moderate--he spars with Cheney and Rumsfeld often. If Cheney is "The Big Man," he'd have the upper hand over Powell.

 

[Ian the Admin]

There's a suddenly-famous book out where the former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does a sort of tell-all about the Bush administration. He gives his impression of how meetings actually go and so forth.

Apparently Bush isn't running things, but nobody else precisely is either. Bush is apparently pretty silent in meetings, doesn't ask many questions, and is way out of his depth. So there isn't really any central control. Cheney appears to be the single most influential person on what Bush does, but Karl Rove (political strategist) also has lots of influence. Bush is such a total featherweight that he has no idea what to do without listening to his trusted advisors, so it's up to them to argue with each other.

I haven't read the book yet myself but apparently in all the stuff it mentions, there is exactly one Bush administration policy which originated with Bush himself rather than one of his advisors - the decision to give Israel's Sharon lots of leeway in what to do about the Palestinian uprising.

 

[Derek Jackson]

GW Bush' Death by Pretzel would leave Cheney with MUCH less influence than if he were martyred

Here is another POD. What if GW lost his nerve more than in OTL. Suppose he were actually seen VERY drunk on September 11th or 12 01 and were pressured to resign or there were steps to invoke the 25th amanedment