President Agnew April 14, 1972 - October 10, 1973

If Arthur Bremer did kill Nixon I believe rem that Agnew would remembered as a failure. hHe would be remembered for the most for two scandals. tThe tax evasion and bribery scandal that led to his resignation and the Watergate scandal. In 1974, investigators found the smoking gun tape that revealed that Agnew had ordered the Watergate cover up. aAgnew gets very little credit for the SALT I Treaty, the one accomplishment of his time in office. aAgnew has been credited with bringing Nelson Rockefellet to the White House. aAgnew's ticket balancing running mate is widely praised for his health care program. tThis program was passed with very little Republican support. It helped seal his doom in the 1976 Republican primaries. rRonald Reagan quickly won the nomination. gHistorians today are more forgiving of Rockefeller's pardon of Agnew.

1972 Election
aAgnew Rockefeller 51 percent
mMcGovern Shriver 40 percent
wWallsce Schmidt 8 percent

1972 - 1973 Sprio Agnew
1973 - 1977 Nelson Rockefeller
1977 - 1981 Jimmy Carter
1981 - 1989 George H W Bush
1989 - 1993 Bob Dole
1993 - 2001 Bill Clinton
2001 - 2009 George W Bush
2009 - bBarack Obama
 
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Agnew also stirred controversy when he supported the findings of the Boerger Commission that Bremer was a lone gunman. tThe House Assasination Committee could find no evidence of a conspiracy.
 
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hm, on Nelson, Rocky is unlikely to be picked at the convention by the 1972 GOP, as he wasn't even as serving VP in 1976, the Nixon loyalists would want John Connally, he, to me at lest seems the most likely pick, any ways even if Rocky gets the pick the stress of being President would surely kill him, he had a bum ticker and in OTL died of a massive heart attack in 1979, being in the White House with the most stressful job on Earth during a fairly stressful time to be President I think would kill him.
 
I didn't think of it but President Rockefeller stands a good chance of dying in office. I would think he would pick Ronald Reagan as Vice President.
 

Japhy

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Can we move this disscussion back 40 years.

Why should we? You're beating a dead horse with the "Nightmare that is Agnew" that hs been done a thousand times on this site.

Everyone knows he would suck, half the folks on this site are convinced he would have pardoned himself to get out of any legal problems he had, none the less you take this tired and worn out idea Paul, and in the end you offer a view that suggests there would be next to no meaningful changes long term. Carter himself in 1977 isn't some sort of guarenteed winner, much less President Obama in 2008. So yeah.

If Agnew is forced to pick Rockefeller as his VP (I don't see that) and impeachment comes, I agree with your presumed thought that the impeachment would go much quicker. I think though, at that moment, even a Lame Duck Nelson would cause some rather deep changes to the direction of the Republican Party, even if he chooses not to run in 1976, he can anoint and support an heir who can possibly fight off a Reaganite Challange and send the GOP in a different political direction long term.

And I'll just note here now, I know you're tired argument that "The Democrats would pick a well spoken black canidate in 2004 to give the keynote and thus Obama's carrer would be launched" which you have given in all previous instances of his running, no matter what the change is. Paul, there are plenty of other "well spoken black canidates" that they could have chosen from, and with a different Republican party 2008 might not be his time to shine.
 

Japhy

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I don't agree, Rockefeller doesn't seem like the type to buckle under pressure like that.

Buckle under pressue, no.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't appoint a more conservitive Republican to serve as his number 2. It certainly wouldn't be Reagan but there's not a lacking of nominees. Dole makes good sense for example, just as he did IOTL 1976.
 
Paul, seriously? Another "Obama becomes president no matter what the POD is" list?

You could have a POD where frogs become sentient instead of man, and you'd still have an "Obama win" somewhere.
 
Paul, seriously? Another "Obama becomes president no matter what the POD is" list?

You could have a POD where frogs become sentient instead of man, and you'd still have an "Obama win" somewhere.

were only doing this because we care Paul... :p
 
Buckle under pressue, no.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't appoint a more conservitive Republican to serve as his number 2. It certainly wouldn't be Reagan but there's not a lacking of nominees. Dole makes good sense for example, just as he did IOTL 1976.

I think Reagan, knowing his popularity among Republican primary voters, would still challenge President Dole.
 
I don't agree, Rockefeller doesn't seem like the type to buckle under pressure like that.

its not a matter of buckling under, there's only so much stress the human body can take, only so many sleepless nights and long days running on coffee a man with a bad heart in his mid-60s can take, its not like we're talking about having a break down or becoming a drunk (we're looking at you Nixon) thats buckling under, a heart attack (something that happened to Eisenhower in office and he wasn't a buckler) is out of the control of the person and doesn't have much to do with their personality.
 

Japhy

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I think Reagan, knowing his popularity among Republican primary voters, would still challenge President Dole.

He can certainly try, but Dole is not Ford, he can still be popular, but I'm not sure if he can have the base for it, both because Dole is to the right of Ford, and because you're talking a scenario where there have been 4 Presidents in 5 years, rocking the boat isn't going to seem all that popular.
 
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