Pre TL: Eisen und Blut

So I’m working on my first German centric post-1800 TL and as you might tell from the title it deals with German unification, but the title is kind of a misnomer because it is in fact that speech by Bismarck that is the Pod that leads to a very different German unification. OTL After his Iron and Blood speech many wanted Bismarck gone or at least muzzled so the Pod is that King William I listens to those around him and releases Bismarck of his duties. This leads to Bismarck not talking William into not going to the conference at Frankfurt-am-Main which leads reform of the German Confederation and a step towards a peaceful unification of Germany.
So what do you guys think?
Do you have any ideas?
 
You're likely to get a very different-looking Germany, that's for sure. But I like it. Too many people dismiss the Bund as a dead end, but it could conceivably have worked. The problem is, if it is to have a hegemon, the other big players are liable to opt out at some point.
 
I think you're confused. Bismark gave the Blood and Iron speech in September 1862, regarding military spending in the midst of the Prussian Landtag's refusal to increase the military's budget. This was just a few years before the Second Schleswig War and the resulting Austro-Prussian War.

The reform of the German Confederation, centered on Frankfurt, took place in 1848. Furthermore, William I wasn't the Prussian monarch in 1848, his father, Frederick William IV was. At the time of Bismark's speech William I had only been the Prussian King for a little over a year, following his father's death in January 1861.
 
I think you're confused. Bismark gave the Blood and Iron speech in September 1862, regarding military spending in the midst of the Prussian Landtag's refusal to increase the military's budget. This was just a few years before the Second Schleswig War and the resulting Austro-Prussian War.

The reform of the German Confederation, centered on Frankfurt, took place in 1848. Furthermore, William I wasn't the Prussian monarch in 1848, his father, Frederick William IV was. At the time of Bismark's speech William I had only been the Prussian King for a little over a year, following his father's death in January 1861.


There was another Frankfurt Conference (of German Princes) in August 1863. They even sent the King of Saxony as a "messenger" to invite Wilhelm I. Bismarck had a terrific struggle to dissuade Wilhelm from going, and afterward was so stressed out that he threw a vase across the room.

There could of course still have been "many a slip" even if Wilhelm had attended, but it's a fascinating moment.
 
I think you're confused. Bismark gave the Blood and Iron speech in September 1862, regarding military spending in the midst of the Prussian Landtag's refusal to increase the military's budget. This was just a few years before the Second Schleswig War and the resulting Austro-Prussian War.

The reform of the German Confederation, centered on Frankfurt, took place in 1848. Furthermore, William I wasn't the Prussian monarch in 1848, his father, Frederick William IV was. At the time of Bismark's speech William I had only been the Prussian King for a little over a year, following his father's death in January 1861.


Mikestone8 kind of answered your question about my lack of confusion. There was indeed a conference called in 1863 and it took everything Bismarck had to prevent the King from going to it, he threatened to resign if the King went. So I'm not confused I'm just using a lesser known event after the initial Pod to create a very different Germany that is not foraged in war, but in a more liberal confederation of Princes.
 
Mikestone8 kind of answered your question about my lack of confusion. There was indeed a conference called in 1863 and it took everything Bismarck had to prevent the King from going to it, he threatened to resign if the King went. So I'm not confused I'm just using a lesser known event after the initial Pod to create a very different Germany that is not foraged in war, but in a more liberal confederation of Princes.

That would be a very minor POD, but something that'd be interesting none the less. I'm not sure I by your logic about being able to create a liberal Germany without war from such a late POD, as by that time the Prussian-Austrian collision was practically around the corner, but I'd like to see where you take the TL.
 
I have a question about what will happen to Galicia. When Großdeutsche is unified Hungary-Croatia will become independent, but would Galicia be included in Hungary or would it be an independent kingdoms? I ask because I don't think Russia would appreciate the creation of a Polish state not long after crushing the last Polish rebellion.
 
I have a question about what will happen to Galicia. When Großdeutsche is unified Hungary-Croatia will become independent, but would Galicia be included in Hungary or would it be an independent kingdoms? I ask because I don't think Russia would appreciate the creation of a Polish state not long after crushing the last Polish rebellion.

Answering to that Question(before doing my mad rant,:rolleyes::cool:): That was something very tricky even in the original Ausgleich... so to the end that end in Cislethania(Austria) management rather that Translethania(Magyar), so i think something like OTL will happen(and if with some political situation, create a 'polish region' inside the empire as a Prussian-Austria co dominum), because if the Russia will try to invade Galicia(if set up independant), that will be invoking the wrath of the Habsburg(and the Hohenzollern have some mad plan in the baltic...) and a bad thing for the Mother Russia...;)

Again... that little reuion i found about it... that was a shot of Austria to try to create an German League.. Without Prussia:eek: (read this man biography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Johann_Bernhard_von_Rechberg_und_Rothenlöwen ) so the not atendance of Wilhelm I was nothing so Important... but another page tell me than that conference only produce to officially used the Scharwt-RoB-Gold of the confederation.

In fact when Bismarck obtain his Minister-Presidentship, all the die were cast for the North German confederation(who defacto exist thanks to the economical power of prussia)
 
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