Powerful Africa settler colony

Depends on definition, I consider most North Indian and Pakistani ethnic groups to be white

I consider them brown though, most others do too. It's mainly based on their skin-colour though, which is brown. You got som Nuristanis/Kalash and a few other exceptions, but mainly, they're very brown indeed. And if they're brown, why would you call them white?
Caucasian; sure, white; nah.
 

katchen

Banned
If Portugal stays in union with Brazil after 1823 (as bizarre as the idea of a European mother country ruled from a colony is, the fact remains that a European mother country would still be part of the empire) would my scenario of settlement of Angola/Mozambique and what is now Zambia, Zimbabwe, Democratic Republic of Congo, Botswana, Namibia, Orange Free State and Transvaal meet the challenge?
Here are the selected nations populations in 1900 OTL
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22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil 17,000,000 Portuguese Empire 12,434,000
Portugal 5,758,000
58 Portuguese East Africa (Portugal) 2,600,0000 Portuguese West Africa (Portugal)2,400,000
2
22px-Flag_of_Transvaal.svg.png
South African Republic 1,400,0006
22px-Flag_of_Nyasaland.svg.png
Nyasaland (UK) 850,000
9
22px-Flag_of_Northern_Rhodesia_%281939-1953%29.svg.png
Northern Rhodesia (UK) 770,000 90
22px-Flag_of_Southern_Rhodesia.svg.png
Southern Rhodesia (UK) 734,000
 
I consider them brown though, most others do too. It's mainly based on their skin-colour though, which is brown. You got som Nuristanis/Kalash and a few other exceptions, but mainly, they're very brown indeed. And if they're brown, why would you call them white?
Caucasian; sure, white; nah.

I don't associate the racial 'color' names with actual color, afterall if you go by that then East Asians are the true White people.
 
A very easy solution would be to avoid a South African union. That means Capeland, Oranje and Transvaal as white-dominated. Add in a lot more white immigration (avoiding WWI could do a lot) and you'd likely have a couple of White-majority states all over Southern Africa.

Furthermore, I always found it rather surprising why South Africa recevied so little immigration IOTL - particularly early on when that was actually discouraged by the Dutch.

Why would no Union in 1910 result in white majority states?

The Cape would probably have the largest white minority, but mixed-race people would be in the majority.
 
If Portugal stays in union with Brazil after 1823 (as bizarre as the idea of a European mother country ruled from a colony is, the fact remains that a European mother country would still be part of the empire) would my scenario of settlement of Angola/Mozambique and what is now Zambia, Zimbabwe, Democratic Republic of Congo, Botswana, Namibia, Orange Free State and Transvaal meet the challenge?
Here are the selected nations populations in 1900 OTL
14
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil 17,000,000 Portuguese Empire 12,434,000
Portugal 5,758,000
58 Portuguese East Africa (Portugal) 2,600,0000 Portuguese West Africa (Portugal)2,400,000
2
22px-Flag_of_Transvaal.svg.png
South African Republic 1,400,0006
22px-Flag_of_Nyasaland.svg.png
Nyasaland (UK) 850,000
9
22px-Flag_of_Northern_Rhodesia_%281939-1953%29.svg.png
Northern Rhodesia (UK) 770,000 90
22px-Flag_of_Southern_Rhodesia.svg.png
Southern Rhodesia (UK) 734,000

What is the racial breakdown of the populations of these countries?

Botswana, Namibia, and the Free State aren't listed above either.
 
I don't associate the racial 'color' names with actual color, afterall if you go by that then East Asians are the true White people.

Using the term "white" as a racial term, isn't something I tend to do, due to light-skinned asians and such, yah. I personally prefer "European" or "ethnically European" if you wanna get real technical. But if you're going to use the term white as a racial classification, why not just use it as everyone else? It may be flawed, but if everyone starts calling brown people white, it has little to no use at all - and what's the point in doing that, when you can rather use the term "Caucasian"?
I don't wanna derail the thread anymore than necessery, so for this thread, atleast just pretend that by "white", most of us mean "ethnically European".
 

katchen

Banned
We are talking about a possible TL in which the King of Portugal stays in Rio de Janeiro, keeping his court there in 1822 in the face of possible rebellion (which gets put down with the help of France). Because the King stays in Rio, Brazil does not break away from Portugal even though the bizarre situation of a European nation with it's capital in what would ordinarily be a colony now exists. So Portugal's overseas territories become Brazil's overseas territory and Southern Africa becomes subject to settlement from Brazil.
Portuguese East African is Mozambique and Portuguese West Africa is Angola.Add all the African colonies population up and they come to much less than the 22 million that is the combined population of Brazil and Portugal. So with this POD a "white" "European" ancestory submergance of Africans might have been feasible beginning in the "60s.:(
 
We are talking about a possible TL in which the King of Portugal stays in Rio de Janeiro, keeping his court there in 1822 in the face of possible rebellion (which gets put down with the help of France). Because the King stays in Rio, Brazil does not break away from Portugal even though the bizarre situation of a European nation with it's capital in what would ordinarily be a colony now exists. So Portugal's overseas territories become Brazil's overseas territory and Southern Africa becomes subject to settlement from Brazil.
Portuguese East African is Mozambique and Portuguese West Africa is Angola.Add all the African colonies population up and they come to much less than the 22 million that is the combined population of Brazil and Portugal. So with this POD a "white" "European" ancestory submergance of Africans might have been feasible beginning in the "60s.:(
You know the reason the king returned to Portugal is because if he didn't return Portugal would break away from Brazil, and they're likely to take the overseas territories with them.
 
You know the reason the king returned to Portugal is because if he didn't return Portugal would break away from Brazil, and they're likely to take the overseas territories with them.

Why would they take the overseas territories?

I think it's likely a split would occur, with Brazil retaining Angola, Mozambique and Sao Tome & Principe while Portugal retained the Azores, Madeira, Cape Verde and Guinea.
 
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I was thinking that Portugal would only take Madeira, and Brazil would get everything else.

By the time the Azores were integral part of Portugal itself, so it's unlikely Brazil could get them, as to the colonies, while Angola and Mozambique were economically closer to Brazil IIRC the North Atlantic colonies were more closely tied to the Protuguese Metropole.
 
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By the time the Azores were integral part of Portugal itself, so it's unlikely Brazil could get them, as to the colonies, while Angola and Mozambique were conomically closer to Brazil IIRC the North Atlantic colonies were more closely tied to the Protuguese Metropole.

OK, have Portugal get Madeira and the Azores and have Brazil keep everything else.
 
Have there be 9-10 nations in Sub-Saharan Africa that are 80-90% European settlers without genocide of Blacks. These countries can be part of their home nation.

These countries must have high first world standard conditions and have a powerful industry by modern day standards.

The POD has to be after 1850s and can't all be a big wank of one country in Europe
Orania gains independence, as a small micronation.
 
Orania gains independence, as a small micronation.

Is Orania even capable of existing as even a micro nation? Most of them have some kind of creepy illicit practice or something keeping them alive. Orania just has a very questionable end goal and a founding idea which while not outright racist has a lot of racially charged overtones.
 
Orania gains independence, as a small micronation.

Is Orania even capable of existing as even a micro nation? Most of them have some kind of creepy illicit practice or something keeping them alive. Orania just has a very questionable end goal and a founding idea which while not outright racist has a lot of racially charged overtones.

Orania currently exists, it has about 1 000 people.

It is quite difficult to create a POD with a viable Orania actually.

Oh yes, I've been to Orania.

Orania 5.jpg
 
I read a conspiracy theory that Hendrik Verwoerd was assassinated because he was planning on partitioning South Africa, into a white half and a black half.

The white half would probably consist of today's Western and Northern Cape with an arm stretching through the Free State and taking in Johannesburg and Pretoria. Durban, Port Elizabeth, and Pietermaritzburg would probably be exclaves of this white state with the rest of the country being given over to majority rule.
 

katchen

Banned
Because since they where key to the slave trade in Brazil I doubt Britain would let them keep those colonies.
As it turned out, the King of Portugal was not able to prevent a revolution in Portugal anyway. But there was a different strategy that had he followed, might have worked. Perhaps a trade. The Spanish troops that would not go to the New World might go to Lisbon to prevent a revolution there. Or French Bourbon troops or even Austrian troops be permitted to transit Spain to keep things under control in Portugal under the Concert of Europe. Great Britain might with the United States interfere with the Holy Alliance in the New World but short of getting involved in another European War, could not interfere on the Euorpean Continent. And the Intra-Porto-Brazillian Slave Trade would remain none of Great Britain's business.
 
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