Potential candidates for European monarchs in alternate WW1 ending scenarios

In scenarios where WW1 ends in a stalemate, like say the German monarchy surviving but Austria-Hungary and Russia both falling to pieces and it basically being "status quo ante bellum" when it comes to Belgium and France, what would be candidates for monarchs of the new countries that would form in the East? Was there any discussion among any of the major powers as to who might become King of Bosnia, or Croatia, or Dalmatia, or Estonia, or Hungary, or Latvia, or Poland, or Bohemia, or Moravia, or whatever other countries might emerge from this chaos?
 
Prince Joachim was considered as a possible King of Ireland after a successful Easter Rising. His inability to speak English was seen as a way to boost the Irish language.

Joachim was also considered for the throne of Georgia, though it’s more likely that Georgia ends up as an Ottoman vassal.
 
Unfortunately there were not many talks about same hypothetical Kings of former Austrian and Russian lands, at least not as in XVIII and XIX centuries. The main cause was that there was little control on this far territory, some violent revolutions made monarchical solutions impracticable and many possible candidates were from Central Powers. But there was something, so here there are some ideas and possibilities for monarchical states in former Russian and Austrian Empires after WWI:

Fredrick Charles of Hesse was briefly elected King of Finland in 1918 but never crowned due German defeat.
Wilhelm of Urach was invited to become King of Lithuania as Mindaugas II in the same period, as proposed by the influential German-Baltic Lithuanian aristocracy.
The Duchy of Curlandia and Semigallia could not be offered to Wilhelm II himself, so the new Duke/King could be Karl, Prince Biron Von Curland, descendant of former Dukes of House of Biron.
The rest of Latvia and Estonia could formed the United Baltic Duchy imagined by Germans to be offered to Adolf of Mecklenburg.
For the Polish Crown there were many candidates (Prince Leopold of Bavaria, Duke Albrecht of Wurttemberg, the House of Wettin of Saxony, that gave two sovereigns to Poland in the past), but Archduke Charles Stephan of Austria, a Austrian-Polish member of Hasburg family, appeared to be the most palatable for Polish.
Charles Stephan's younger son Wilhelm was always a strong supporter of Ukrain nationalism and could become King of Ukraine as Vasyl I.
Hungary wanted to become an independent nation but keeping Charles I of Hasburg as King, and this was avoided only as Western Powers strongly opposed the idea (in fact Hungary officially was a monarchy until 1945, with Admiral Horthy as Regent for Charles I and then his son Othon). An other idea that Horthy considered strongly was to claim the Crown for himself.
If Slavonia (alias Croatia plus Slovenia and Bosnia) doesn't want become part of Yugoslavia it has to follow the Hungarian example: becoming an independent kingdom with Charles I as nominal monarch. Charles approved the creation of Slavonian autonomy state shortly before the fall, in a last attempt to save his Empire. The only alternative, if they don't want be part of Yugoslavia, is to put a Savoia in charge, Emanuele and Victor Emanuel of Savoia-Aosta, Ferdinando of Savoia-Genoa or King Victor Emanuel III himself.
Yugoslavia would be limited to Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Italy had some ambitions in Montenegro as Victor Emanuel III married Helena of Montemegro but I don't think possible avoid Yugoslavian union with Serbia.
If King Alexander of Greece doesn't die younger there is the possibility of an union between Greece and Yugoslavia, as his only daughter Alexandra (OTL excluded by succession as born after his father's death) married King Peter II of Yugoslavia.
Albania is probably going to be governed by Zog I.
Georgia could be ruled by Prince Joachim of Prussia. He was a possibility also for Irish crown but I doubt that in a stalemate London would accept this outcome.
Former Russia is a little more difficult.
Russia itself is clearly in a Republican mood after 1917 revolutions, a Soviet or a classic one.
I spoke about Finland, Ukraine and Baltic states at the beginning of this post.
Caucasian front was a mess: if Georgia could go with a German Prince, maybe Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russian Caucasus could become a sort of kingdom ruled by Gran Duke Nicholas, grandson of Emperor Nicholas I of Romanov. Gran Duke Nicholas was the Governor of Caucasus during the revolution, Armenia was the most reluctant province to secede from Russian Empire (fear of Turks, I imagine), Nicholas promoted Islamic clerics training and save famous Islam cleric Said Nursi so this could win some sympathy among Azeris (at the opposite of Communist atheism) and North Caucasus was a strong base of White Movement, of which Nicholad was not only a member but also a candidate for the Imperial Crown of Russia. Of course, Nicholas and the Whites would continue to claim the Russian throne but, if they survive to Soviets and others enemies, it could born an informal, unofficial Kingdom of Caucasus.
Don and Kuban Cossacks States would ruled by local Hetmans.
In Central Asia we had the Emirate of Bukhara and the Khanate of Khiva.
Finally I would love the idea of Roman Von Ungern-Sternberg unites all regionalist and Whites groups of Far East and proclaims himself as new Khan of Mongolia and Siberia.
 
The Duchy of Curlandia and Semigallia could not be offered to Wilhelm II himself, so the new Duke/King could be Karl, Prince Biron Von Curland, descendant of former Dukes of House of Biron.
The rest of Latvia and Estonia could formed the United Baltic Duchy imagined by Germans to be offered to Adolf of Mecklenburg.
Any Baltic German nobles as possible candidates here? Imagine Pyotr Wrangel as Duke of whatever whatever. Also Karl was like, 11 years old when the war ended.

Charles Stephan's younger son Wilhelm was always a strong supporter of Ukrain nationalism and could become King of Ukraine as Vasyl I.
Ukraine already had a ruler, Pavlo Skoropadyski, who was far more powerful than Wilhelm. Did you get this idea from Kaiserreich by any chance?


Georgia could be ruled by Prince Joachim of Prussia. He was a possibility also for Irish crown but I doubt that in a stalemate London would accept this outcome.
I’ve always liked this idea! The Ireland one is a little more appealing to me but if it is a stalemate like in this hypothetical TL rather than a victory by the Central Powers like in my test thread, I guess the Brits ain’t saying yes.

Don and Kuban Cossacks States would ruled by local Hetmans.
So would Ukraine right?
Finally I would love the idea of Roman Von Ungern-Sternberg unites all regionalist and Whites groups of Far East and proclaims himself as new Khan of Mongolia and Siberia.
NOOOOOOO!!! (just kidding here although I really do dislike RVUS. This Khanate Idea is actually pretty cool though, maybe the Japanese might have installed a Qing Prince (because they were Buddhist like most of the people in Mongolia) or a local noble on the throne?
 
You are right about Karl, so it's better his father, Gustav Von Biron, as candidate. Also others Baltic-German nobles could be an options, as Wrangel (but he only as Nicholas for Caucasus, as he was loyal to Romanov cause, not wanting be a monarch himself).
Actually I don't play with Kaiserreich and found the idea on Wikipedia. I mention that my ideas are ideas, not probability: I know that the so called, pro-German, nationalist Ukrainan State was run by Hetman Skoropadyski and that Wilhelm was not going to claim the Crown (he was ready to declare his loyalty to Ukrainian People's Republic for his Ukrainan nationalism's sake). But the question was about possible monarch and, a part Skoropadyski himself as Hetman (and the Hetmanats are not exactly monarchies), Wilhelm/Vasyl is the only good option for Ukraine and the only with blue blood.
Technically when RVUS proclaimed himself Khan he converted to Buddhism or something like that. An other idea for the Russian Far East is that Kolchack or someone other survives and Japanese installed a rump state headed by a Romanov Pretendent.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot: Maximilian Von Hogenberg, son of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Sophie Von Hogenberg, from a important noble Czech family, could be have a chance for the Bohemian throne. He could be King of Slovakia too, as independent Kingdom, in order to forge a Cezh-Slovakian alliance to counter Hungarian and Polish ambitions.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot: Maximilian Von Hogenberg, son of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Sophie Von Hogenberg, from a important noble Czech family, could be have a chance for the Bohemian throne. He could be King of Slovakia too, as independent Kingdom, in order to forge a Cezh-Slovakian alliance to counter Hungarian and Polish ambitions.
I was thinking that the head of the House of Schwarzenberg would be put on the Bohemian throne.
 
BTW if we don’t want to go the Karl I route for Hungary, we could always make his distant cousin Archduke Joseph August their king as he was born and died in Hungary and almost became its leader.
 
If Germany annexed Austria then it would be take Bohemia along with it.
That's if the Entente lets them. A stalemate doesn't mean that Germany has free reign to do anything it wants. Yeah, it has Brest-Litvosk in the East, but the other Entente members aren't as weakened as Russia is.
 

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That's if the Entente lets them. A stalemate doesn't mean that Germany has free reign to do anything it wants. Yeah, it has Brest-Litvosk in the East, but the other Entente members aren't as weakened as Russia is.
If the Entente can't overturn Brest-Litovsk then it can't stop Germany from doing whatever it wants with what used to be Austria-Hungary.
 
If the Entente can't overturn Brest-Litovsk then it can't stop Germany from doing whatever it wants with what used to be Austria-Hungary.
Fair enough.

If Germany is somehow convinced to relent on partitioning Estonia and Latvia, and instead settles for a Kingdom of Estonia and a Kingdom of Latvia as puppet states rather than absorbing them into the Empire, who would be the (almost certainly German) likely candidates? Basically, a Lithuania situation develops where annexation becomes untenable.
 
Fair enough.

If Germany is somehow convinced to relent on partitioning Estonia and Latvia, and instead settles for a Kingdom of Estonia and a Kingdom of Latvia as puppet states rather than absorbing them into the Empire, who would be the (almost certainly German) likely candidates? Basically, a Lithuania situation develops where annexation becomes untenable.
Adolf Friedrich for Estonia and some Hohenzollern Prince for Latvia!
 
Slovenia would stay a part of Austria, which means if Austria is Anschlussed it becomes part of Germany. Croatia is probably given to some minor Habsburg if it doesn’t become a republic.
I would imagine that Slovenia would become independent but consist of only Carniola.
 
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