Potential allies of a Strasserist Germany?

Would the list of immediate and potential allies of a Strasserist Germany be much different than the one of Hitler's Germany, and could this Germany present a credible threat to the post-Versailles global order that was in place?
 

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Fascist Hungary to some extent. Hypothetically conservative France might tolerate this Germany, if it lacks Hitlers reckless aggresion.
Strasser did want Germany to have strong ties with Poland, so that's a plus.

"Strasserism, therefore, became a distinct strand of Nazism that, whilst holding on to previous Nazi ideals such as palingenetic ultranationalism and anti-Semitism, added a strong critique of capitalism and framed this in the demand for a more "socialist-based" approach to economics."
 

NoMommsen

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Would the list of immediate and potential allies of a Strasserist Germany be much different than the one of Hitler's Germany ...
Not too different, but he would probably seek better terms with the SU earlier. he was technocratic enough to 'forgive' ideological ... differences for 'real politics'.
However he would still keep a stern anticommunist stances, which would give them quite the same (if not better, due to being no-maniac) 'credits' in the rest of Europe.
Important question (I can't answer easily) would be his relations to Mussolini.

..., and could this Germany present a credible threat to the post-Versailles global order that was in place?
Exactly the same threat that Hitler-Germany was. ... only its leader being way more 'clever'.

... Hypothetically conservative France might tolerate this Germany, if it lacks Hitlers reckless aggresion.
Not going to happen, cause the french political arithmetic :
  • GERMAN = ETERNAL EVIL
... regardless, who might lead Germany, cause he is german and therefore evil, period.:p
 
Not Austria or Italy and certainly not Czechoslovakia. If Germany goes Strasserist I can see Czechoslovakia going Fascist with Gajda as dictator.

Hungary makes sense though Strasser is a bit radical for Horthy's taste, but in a pinch I don't think he'll care. Though Strasser might not feel like allying himself with such a reactionary.
 
Earlier and longer cooperation with the USSR, which may or may not end the same way as OTL.

Romania would be slightly put off by Germany's new leftist tendencies and really put off by the German-USSR relations. OTL's Romanian-German rapprochement may be avoided entirely.

Are the Strasserists backing the Arrow Cross? If not, Hungary will (reluctantly) get on board with them for the sake of revisionism. If yes, that's still possible but it's also possible Hungary spirals into the other camp.
 
Are we talkinh Gregor or Otto Strasser?

Cuz the more radical they become (Anti-Imperialism and a more clear "Socialist" bend than Hitlerite Nazism) the less they'll appeal to Britain. France is out in any case for reasons mentioned above.

A rapproachment with the Soviet Union is very possible, and stronger relations with Poland (serving as a buffer, I'd assume) might also mean slightly better ties between the Poles and the Soviets...

Now the question becomes.

Who'd the Strasserists support in the upcoming conflicts from the 30's, such as the Spanish Civil War and similar?
 
Are we talkinh Gregor or Otto Strasser?

Cuz the more radical they become (Anti-Imperialism and a more clear "Socialist" bend than Hitlerite Nazism) the less they'll appeal to Britain. France is out in any case for reasons mentioned above.

A rapproachment with the Soviet Union is very possible, and stronger relations with Poland (serving as a buffer, I'd assume) might also mean slightly better ties between the Poles and the Soviets...

Now the question becomes.

Who'd the Strasserists support in the upcoming conflicts from the 30's, such as the Spanish Civil War and similar?
Let's say both hold positions in the government. Röhm is a serious figure in the army. Gottfried Feder controls the economy.
 

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Are we talkinh Gregor or Otto Strasser?

Cuz the more radical they become (Anti-Imperialism and a more clear "Socialist" bend than Hitlerite Nazism) the less they'll appeal to Britain. France is out in any case for reasons mentioned above.

A rapprochement with the Soviet Union is very possible, and stronger relations with Poland (serving as a buffer, I'd assume) might also mean slightly better ties between the Poles and the Soviets...

Now the question becomes.

Who'd the Strasserists support in the upcoming conflicts from the 30's, such as the Spanish Civil War and similar?

I'd say the first is a certainty, as the Reichswehr at least was already dealing with the Soviets under Hans Seekt from 1920 onwards. The second, I really can't see happening - Strasserism may be slightly more left-leaning but it's still Nazism (a point some seem to be forgetting - this isn't a communist Germany we're talking here) and Nazism wants Poland eradicated. The Reichswehr was dealing with the Soviets, but it was a temporary deal of convenience only - the majority wanted "their" land back from the Poles. Also, a left-leaning (cosmetically at least) Germany with a nationalist tint probably isn't the thing the right-leaning Polish leadership would want to cosy up to.
 
I'd say the first is a certainty, as the Reichswehr at least was already dealing with the Soviets under Hans Seekt from 1920 onwards. The second, I really can't see happening - Strasserism may be slightly more left-leaning but it's still Nazism (a point some seem to be forgetting - this isn't a communist Germany we're talking here) and Nazism wants Poland eradicated. The Reichswehr was dealing with the Soviets, but it was a temporary deal of convenience only - the majority wanted "their" land back from the Poles. Also, a left-leaning (cosmetically at least) Germany with a nationalist tint probably isn't the thing the right-leaning Polish leadership would want to cosy up to.
Hmm... Good points.

However, were the Strasserists also fixated on the idea of Lebensraüm like Hitler or Himmler? Or did they just wanted to unify all German speaking land?
 

NoMommsen

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I'd say the first is a certainty, as the Reichswehr at least was already dealing with the Soviets under Hans Seekt from 1920 onwards. The second, I really can't see happening - Strasserism may be slightly more left-leaning but it's still Nazism (a point some seem to be forgetting - this isn't a communist Germany we're talking here) and Nazism wants Poland eradicated. The Reichswehr was dealing with the Soviets, but it was a temporary deal of convenience only - the majority wanted "their" land back from the Poles. Also, a left-leaning (cosmetically at least) Germany with a nationalist tint probably isn't the thing the right-leaning Polish leadership would want to cosy up to.
The rapproachment with the SU, I agree.
About Poland ... more difficult, depends IMO to 'how close' the rapproachment with the SU goes and how fast it can be reached.
ITTL Hitler and Göring were quite fast in improving relations with Poland (Non-Agression pact March 1934) against the 'establishment' of the foreign ministry and the Reichswehr, who were rather aghast on that than happy about. This wasn't a move out of conviction but only out of conveniance :
- it 'showed' that the 'new Germany' was soo peace-loving, that it even made deals with its arch-enemy Poland.
- it broke Germanys diplomatic isolation after leaving the League of nations and the disarmament conference.

However, Gregor Strasser was, as said, a man of 'real politics', ... and well prepared to make deals even with ideological enemies, if it served his cause, domestically i.e. : the Centre Party, the Trade Unions, even with the SPD.
I therefore could imagine, that he would also be able to stike a deal with Poland as Hitler/Göring did.

Unfortunatly there isn't much material (at least I know off) about Strassers views on foreign politics - beside closer ties to Russia, atm unfortunatly communist SU.
Therefore it is also, probably even more imaginable, that he 'leaves' foreign politics to the 'specialists' of the foreign ministry, what would mean : Poland = arch-enemy.



Hmm... Good points.

However, were the Strasserists also fixated on the idea of Lebensraüm like Hitler or Himmler? Or did they just wanted to unify all German speaking land?
The same about foreign politics counts also on this question.
However, AFAIK he referred to 'Lebensraum' only very rarly, if at all at any time. For Hitler 'Lebensraum' was at the same time the goal as well as the means to ensure german supremacy over the world and in that THE solution to everything, including economy and socialpolitics.
Gregor Strasser was far less 'utopic' and looked always for solutions of today with todays means for the next day ... but much less for what might happen in 10 generations time.
 
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