Postwar Germany after Hitler assasination

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About France, this is hilariously untrue, need I have to mention how Vichy France was massively popular among the French, and Petain a venerated retired general, up to very late in its parable ?

I'm not sure why venerating a general and appointing him to lead your country during a tme of national crisis is a sign of incipient fascism. And of course, since it turns out we have electoral results from the Third Republic, and ideas of fascist party membershpi lists, it never compared to the Nazi Party.

Doubtless you knew that the only organization in the Third Republic which had a mass base and was psuedo-fascist, at best, is the PSF. Right? Especially as you acknowledge the miposition of fascism requred the imposition of an outside order (leaving aside whehter or not Vichy was fascist)....

Sure, sure, because between setting up Baltics and Ukrainians as vassal states with German princes in the Kaiserreich economic spheres, and exterminating them there is no difference, sure. William II was just Hitler with a funny hat, and Stalin was just implementing plans laid down by Nicholas II wehn he exterminated the Kulaks.

The military's plans involved ethnically cleansing parts of Poland, and settling German colonists in the Baltic.

Besides, your statement is false, the first well-organized attempted military coup happened in 1938, and failed for the kind of outrageous coincidences (Chamberlain accepting Munich terms a few hours too early) that routinely punctuated Hitler's career an saved him from coups and assassinations.

You know, "They launched a coup bceause they thought HItler would lose!" doesn't really disprove "the bastards only opposed HItler when it was their necks on the line."

I have seen "Stalin backstabs Hitler in May 1940" TLs.

Sorry, not the same. I mean the Third Republic falls by dint of military harms, not all conquering Stalin.

As for the generals, well, we know that they were actively enjoying the plunder from the rape of civilization.
 

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I'm not sure why venerating a general and appointing him to lead your country during a tme of national crisis

Who immediately proceeds to implement a fascist regime.

to the Nazi Party.

True, but France did not got a Versailles, either. And France had missed its own butterfly for a homegrown fascist coup back in the early 1930s.

The military's plans involved ethnically cleansing parts of Poland, and settling German colonists in the Baltic.

This is no more the logical precursor to the Lebenstraum that exterminating a few Indian tribes gave Hitler the blueprint for doing the same to all of European Russia. The difference of scale and methods are huge.

You know, "They launched a coup bceause they thought HItler would lose!" doesn't really disprove "the bastards only opposed HItler when it was their necks on the line."

Actually more like "they only opposed Hitler when it was the neck of the Fatherland at large on the line" as opposed to the neck of some random and despised ethnic/political minority or enemy nationality. Again, morally sad but true to the standard every army and people under the sun followed up to then and even afterwards. However, there were some officers that motivated their opposition to the regime also with moral outrage at the Nazi atrocities.

Sorry, not the same. I mean the Third Republic falls by dint of military harms, not all conquering Stalin.

What can I say ? It seems only Napoleon truly excites the AH collective mind as a French lost cause, alongside a handful of other clichè lost causes. It comes to little surprise when one thinks that every fictional empire under the sun always boils down to some knock-off mix of Romans, Mongols, Napoleon, Nazis, and Soviets.

As for the generals, well, we know that they were actively enjoying the plunder from the rape of civilization.

Meaning the conquest of continental Europe, or personal enrichment ? Scarcely different from Napoleonic generals, either way. My country, right or wrong, and all that.
 
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