Postwar Fascist Insurgency in Italy

All this talk about how killing OBL would only make him a martyr and he should have been taken alive and given a trial (as though that would prevent him from becoming a martyr anyway) reminded me of how Mussolini was executed by Italian anti-fascist partisans rather than given a trial like the defeated Nazis (who survived) got.

If martyrdom is that automatic, why wasn't there a postwar fascist insurgency driven by the memory of the martyred Mussolini for years after the war and how could there have been one?
 
Well, many of the hardliner were killed in combat or just after the end of the hostilities by the partisan or taken prisoner by the alliesand the regime were totally discredited after the war and the Republic of Salò so there were little help frome the civilian population, who by the way had more important thing to do like find some food.
 

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
Well with the number of false flag operations and conspiracies, there kinda was, though I understand your point.

I'd also point out that the bloody partisan conflict in German-occupied Italy made northern Italians resentful of the legacy of fascism, while the south came under swift American occupation and was spared a partisan conflict or even a defascistisation campaign comparable to denazification. As a result, the south solidly fell in behind the Alleanza Nazionale which filled the void left by the Christian Democrats, as a neofascist party didn't carry the stigma it would have in the north.
 
Well with the number of false flag operations and conspiracies, there kinda was, though I understand your point.

Could you elaborate? I know the Allies had some in-case-of-Soviet-invasion stay-behind project called "Operation Gladio" that Bill Blum thinks was used to undermine the independence of the Italian government, but I don't know a whole lot about it.
 

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
Could you elaborate? I know the Allies had some in-case-of-Soviet-invasion stay-behind project called "Operation Gladio" that Bill Blum thinks was used to undermine the independence of the Italian government, but I don't know a whole lot about it.

From the Armenian Genocide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Italy_(1970s-1980s)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due (Berlusconi was part of this group.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordine_Nuovo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avanguardia_Nazionale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Vinciguerra
As you mentioned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
 
All this talk about how killing OBL would only make him a martyr and he should have been taken alive and given a trial (as though that would prevent him from becoming a martyr anyway) reminded me of how Mussolini was executed by Italian anti-fascist partisans rather than given a trial like the defeated Nazis (who survived) got.

If martyrdom is that automatic, why wasn't there a postwar fascist insurgency driven by the memory of the martyred Mussolini for years after the war and how could there have been one?

I'd point out Mussolini is a martyr to the thousands who gather at his grave on a regular basis.
Mussolini's death (by Communists) was only a tiny part of the wave of extra-judicial executions of Fascists unleashed by the Partisans and the devastation unleashed by the Allies. Those Fascists who didn't surrender were simply massacred, those who did preferred to carry on the cause through conventional politics or abandoned Fascism. Terror and opportunism kept Fascists from trying any kind of insurgency. Italy was not a terrorist network with it's leader taken out, it was a nation defeated in conventional warfare, it's not really comparable to OBL.
 
The problem with a large scale fascist insurgency is that the movement was exhausted and demoralized. Ousting Mussolini meant German occupation, and the Allies fighting their way through the country. There was not enough to celebrate or fight for. The Italian Fascist got to see first hand just how artificial his movement was.
 
So, something along the lines of Italy not surrendering and eating nuclear strikes before a puppet regime is installed?


Probably take a much worse WWII for that to happen. But then you'd have an Italy that tries to resist Allied control through Fascist Insurgencies.
 
why wasn't there a postwar fascist insurgency driven by the memory of the martyred Mussolini for years after the war and how could there have been one?

Impossible.
majority of Italians peoples had enough to Mussolini and fascism.
After the war Italians just will live quiet,far to stupid nationalism,militarism and others silly things like these.
 
The problem with a large scale fascist insurgency is that the movement was exhausted and demoralized. Ousting Mussolini meant German occupation, and the Allies fighting their way through the country. There was not enough to celebrate or fight for. The Italian Fascist got to see first hand just how artificial his movement was.

This is certainly true, even Mussolini was secretly hoping for an Allied victory. He even tried to make a deal with his preferred successors, the Italian Socialist Party.
 
Could you elaborate? I know the Allies had some in-case-of-Soviet-invasion stay-behind project called "Operation Gladio" that Bill Blum thinks was used to undermine the independence of the Italian government, but I don't know a whole lot about it.

Actually "Gladio" was the name of the italian branch of the NATO "Stay Behind" network, which was organized in each of the western europe countries.
 
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