Post-WWII "Gaullist" Britain

*Somehow keeping hold of if not Malaya, then at least Singapore-income, keeps Britain committed to world affairs, justifies stronger defence budget etc

If Singapore holds out against the Japanese, there might be more support for holding it. After all, the Brits have shown they can defend the people there, unlike OTL.

POD?
 
*Tory victory in 45, no mass nationalisations- if industry isn't nationalised, and the welfare state and NHS aren't afforded their sacred cow position in national politics, then the economy is likely to be in a much healthier state

You would need to get rid of Churchill - he's a flipping disaster. Maybe Eden?

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Hendryk

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I think after reading this thread and others, there seem to be a few "must haves" to make Britain more independent and "Gaullist"- (...)

*Tory victory in 45, no mass nationalisations- if industry isn't nationalised, and the welfare state and NHS aren't afforded their sacred cow position in national politics, then the economy is likely to be in a much healthier state
Look up de Gaulle's position on health care and nationalizations some time. And the policies he implemented in 1944-45.
 
OK, how does this sound as a POD, even though it is pre-WW2, so not technically within the OP's parameters- Britain and Italy come to blows over Abyssinia, and in the ensuing war a Taranto-esque raid shows the importance of carrier aviation. Britain focuses on the development of aircraft carriers, and builds up a stronger military in general. When WW2 comes, which may be at a different time as a result of the POD, Italy either stays neutral or is at worst an easily dealt with and irrelevant enemy, assuming of course that Mussolini and the fascists aren't out of power. This frees up enough ships for the Far East, leading to victory at Singapore, no Coral Sea to put Australia firmly in the US' orbit, and continued British influence in the area. No Italy probably means no North African campaign, meaning more men get sent to Singapore, and more Germans getting sent to die in Russia. The Soviets still win, but suffer more losses, and the NATO/Soviet border is perhaps a bit further east. A less bankrupt UK maintains influence throughout the Trucial States, Aden, the wider Middle East and the Far East, and is a world pioneer and leader in carrier warfare. The Conservatives win in 45, perhaps with Churchill steeping down after the war to allow Eden to take power, and although Labour win in 1950, the success of the Tories along with the ascent of a more moderate faction in the party means there is no mass nationalisation and NHS, leading to a much healthier economy. Just to top it off, De Gaulle himself dies in the war, so the UK faces a lot less hostility from Europe, perhaps leading to a British led EFTA becoming the dominant player on the Continent. I might try and work on writing this up, but it could take ages, I've never done anything like this
 

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OK, how does this sound as a POD, even though it is pre-WW2, so not technically within the OP's parameters- Britain and Italy come to blows over Abyssinia, and in the ensuing war a Taranto-esque raid shows the importance of carrier aviation. Britain focuses on the development of aircraft carriers, and builds up a stronger military in general. When WW2 comes, which may be at a different time as a result of the POD, Italy either stays neutral or is at worst an easily dealt with and irrelevant enemy, assuming of course that Mussolini and the fascists aren't out of power. This frees up enough ships for the Far East, leading to victory at Singapore, no Coral Sea to put Australia firmly in the US' orbit, and continued British influence in the area. No Italy probably means no North African campaign, meaning more men get sent to Singapore, and more Germans getting sent to die in Russia. The Soviets still win, but suffer more losses, and the NATO/Soviet border is perhaps a bit further east. A less bankrupt UK maintains influence throughout the Trucial States, Aden, the wider Middle East and the Far East, and is a world pioneer and leader in carrier warfare. The Conservatives win in 45, perhaps with Churchill steeping down after the war to allow Eden to take power, and although Labour win in 1950, the success of the Tories along with the ascent of a more moderate faction in the party means there is no mass nationalisation and NHS, leading to a much healthier economy. Just to top it off, De Gaulle himself dies in the war, so the UK faces a lot less hostility from Europe, perhaps leading to a British led EFTA becoming the dominant player on the Continent. I might try and work on writing this up, but it could take ages, I've never done anything like this


A good POD.

About british led EFTA, it's hard to imagine that anything british-led has a dominant role in Continent.
Maybe a Commonwealth Free Trade Area and a Britain-Europe Free Trade Agreement.
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A good POD.

About british led EFTA, it's hard to imagine that anything british-led has a dominant role in Continent.
Maybe a Commonwealth Free Trade Area and a Britain-Europe Free Trade Agreement.
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Yeah I agree with you Britain never seemed to be a European country anyway.
 

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Look, if you want to ban me, don't feel any obligation towards me.

I guessed that you are a second generation French, but that isn't my problem. And about that profane outburst of mine, it was after your etiquetting me as a xenophobe and racist, and I'm not anything like that. I just think that someone who comes from Poland/Spain/Germany/Gabon/Vietnam/pick country, cannot become French overnight. He might learn French language, but he cannot fully become French.
And when I see burning car's in outskirts of Paris, than I'm sure that I'm right. Because a Frenchmen will not burn somebody's car just for fun unless he's on some drugs.

No offence my friend. This is not directed against you. Just a plain fact of life. If you want to be a French, than you have to behave as a French. And a French in the rest of the world is a simbol for culture and democracy, not for burning car's.
Skin colour or religion has nothing with that.
;)

Well that's pretty unapologetically bigoted, and is political trolling outside the Chat forum. You're kicked for a week.
 
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