Post WW2 A Victorious/Stalemated Reich How Long Can Hitler Last?

To clarify this one further, in the event of a victorious Reich in ww2 or where no outright victory is achieved or even if the start of the war is substantially delayed, how long can Hitler remain on as the Nazi leader? I've heard it said that he was showing signs of having Parkinsons disease, in his final years. Also Fascist parties are never to far away from a vicious split eg hatred between BNP and the national front in the UK. What of the possibility of a civil war post these WW2 scenarios among Nazi factions?
 
Hitler was probably suffering from Syphillis and manic depression(some say Parkinsons, but i think anxiety and depression are more believable at that time) at around 1944/45. Top that with an amphetamine addiction, he wouldn't have lasted long.

Though, the depression was caused by Germany's bad results in the war. If they did well in the war, Hitler would be more healthy(except for the Syphillis and the addiction.... oh well)

If he did have Parkinsons, he had even less longer to live.
 
A lot of his health problems were caused by the poisonous concoction he was taking as "medicine". Would he be doing that under different war circumstances?

People have speculated syphillis and Parkinson's, but who can know? We do know he ate large quantities of sugar, rarely exercised, and got very little sun. So, maybe, complications of oral infections (full dentures by 1950), diabetes, or even vitamin-D deficiency?

Not suffering the effects of the Valkyrie bomb might help his health too.
 
A lot of his health problems were caused by the poisonous concoction he was taking as "medicine". Would he be doing that under different war circumstances?

People have speculated syphillis and Parkinson's, but who can know? We do know he ate large quantities of sugar, rarely exercised, and got very little sun. So, maybe, complications of oral infections (full dentures by 1950), diabetes, or even vitamin-D deficiency?

Not suffering the effects of the Valkyrie bomb might help his health too.

Drugs and mega-stress levels dosnt help either, six years of being a no-sleep junkie will take a steep toll on any man. Also remember that many members of the German high-command suffered from and heart or digestive problems brought on by the stress of war. Hell on the allied side FDR and Churchill were racked by illness and Stalin appearance-wise aged about 15 years.

We'll never know the full truth about Hitler's health. I'm inclined to say he’d last untill 1950 at least.
 
It depends on how quickly the war ends

Let's take this track

Britain comes to peace with Germany after 1940 (forget why it doesn't matter)

The Soviet Union ass womps finland enough to convince Hitler they aren't an easy target

The Soviet Union allows German spies to see exactly how big their tank and aircraft park is

Hitler postpones barbarossa for a good while

In 1939-barbarossa, Hitler was under a decent amount of stress, however his sleeping and eating habits where not totally unmanageable, and he was having much shorter bursts of action and excitement and hard decisions as opposed to a daily ordeal (ie the polish campaign and the campaign against france where pretty short)

If you close the war prior to barbarossa, there is a good chance his stress levels go down; perhaps he takes some several weeks of vacation with Eva to decompress which gives him a chance to break his work cycles

If this period of not shooting at anyone holds and Hitler becomes convinced that he has gone as far as he can go (probably asb) its possible Germany could spool down their war economy so that they can start to function semi normally again,

Also since this is pre barbarossa, he hasn't fired the army high command yet, so he is just head of state with one set of responsibilities, not burning himself out playing field marshal as well

Under this circumstance, he could probably live until at least 1950, if not a bit later... he didn't smoke or drink and he went for long walks pretty often
 
Keep in mind that he did ge a lot of excersice beating his wife, so that should count for something. *Dogdes brick*

the uber weird part about stalin (not that there where not already a lot of strange, evil, paranoid and crazy things about him) was that he could imprison millions, send millions to die at the front, punch his wife in the face and be a miserable bastard to his children (like labeling 2 of his sons as traitors to the Rodina).... BUT he wrote his mother detailed and loving letters almost daily:rolleyes:
 

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Dr. Morell is acknowledged by most historians to be a quack, competent in only a limited way. Hitler was in relatively good health until the war began. His health suffered significant decline after that from stress, but he did have a low fat diet (I don't want to get into the "was he a vegetarian" debate here), and he did not smoke or drink alcohol heavily (he was noted for occasionally drinking a dilute wine and for a time until he started gaining weight he drink a glass of beer before going to bed). Assuming his stress level could be managed, I could see him living until well into the 1950's or early 1960's.

That brings up a question of, assuming the war ends in a stalemate how does this affect the Holocaust if Hitler is still alive?

Also, would the status-quo stay the same between Russia and Germany? Remember Hitler continually indicated in Mein Kampf that he was looking for Lebensraum in the East and that meant Russia. Stalin on the other hand would have been more then happy to start a war with Hitler once he had a sufficiently large army to do the job. It wasn't if war was going to start in the east, it looks like more of a question of when.

Geon
 
If the Reich manages to survive, they will have some technological tricks up their sleeve to make sure that they remain relevant. However, the US and USSR will be catching up quickly, and assuming that the UK is still buddy buddy with the US, Nazi Germany is basically gonna end up in a vice between capitalism and communism. I don't think Hitler would last much longer either. His health was iffy, both physically and mentally. An assassination or coup d'etat would be likely imo.
 
Stalin drank and smoked, AND Hitler was 11 years younger than him... totally within the realm of possibility

So did Churchill, he was older than Stalin, smoked & drank more and was a glutton to boot. He also had a dodgy heart and suffered repeated strokes (through those were post-war).

Stalin and Churchill both showed evidence OTL of being much more physically robust than Hitler despite being slightly older (ten years isnt that much and the health of people in any age group can vary greatly) and there no hint of either suffering a long-term degenerative condition. However Hitler's very steep decline to near-senility & physical lameness cannot be attributed to stress, lack of sleep & drugs alone. A lot of people on both sides suffered similar stress without becoming such a wreak.
 
So did Churchill, he was older than Stalin, smoked & drank more and was a glutton to boot. He also had a dodgy heart and suffered repeated strokes (through those were post-war).

Stalin and Churchill both showed evidence OTL of being much more physically robust than Hitler despite being slightly older (ten years isnt that much and the health of people in any age group can vary greatly) and there no hint of either suffering a long-term degenerative condition. However Hitler's very steep decline to near-senility & physical lameness cannot be attributed to stress, lack of sleep & drugs alone. A lot of people on both sides suffered similar stress without becoming such a wreak.

No, they where winning, their sleepless nights and hyper stress decreased as the war went on whilst Hitler's got worse. Hitler, after Stalingrad added horribly poor eating habit to his already bad sleeping habits and high stress levels

Add to it that Hitler had a bomb go off, a couple feet from him (which could have done some brain damage or given him a mini stroke easily) and he was going to be a train wreck... he had to spend the last 12 months of his life, more or less confined to bunkers with no windows

Prior to the war, Hitler was quite vigorous, he traveled constantly, allowed people to do a lot of the actual heavy lifting of his job for him and took a solid number of vacations. His sleeping habits where manageable and he wasn't starving himself from depression for three years like he did after Stalingrad

If the war ends quickly (pre barbarossa) there is no reason he couldn't resume his previous lifestyle which didn't seem to be giving him any serious health problems
 
Stalin. Who also apparently ADORED his adopted son. Even forgave him when said adopted son accidentally shot Stalin once.

Kind of off topic but . . . Does anyone know why Stalin hated his biological sons but was so fond of his adopted son?

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Anyways. A victorious Nazi Germany probably lasts at the very least into the 50's.

After that? Well, I guess it depends on who takes Hitler's place.
 
Stalin. Who also apparently ADORED his adopted son. Even forgave him when said adopted son accidentally shot Stalin once.

Kind of off topic but . . . Does anyone know why Stalin hated his biological sons but was so fond of his adopted son?

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Anyways. A victorious Nazi Germany probably lasts at the very least into the 50's.

After that? Well, I guess it depends on who takes Hitler's place.


Yakov got it really bad... Stalin hated on him so much he tried to committ suicide and his capture in the Smolensk pocket wasn't his fault. Hitler offered to trade him for Paulus or his (Hitler's) nephew Leo.... Stalin was a cockbag for not making that deal, considering Paulus would have just been executed and he would have gotten his son back

Vasily rightfully (because he was and idiot and an asshole and a drunk) was often in his father's dog house

Svetlana got it rough... Stalin had her lover sent to the gulag (although admittedly, if a 40 year old man was dating my 16 year old I wouldn't take it well either)... he never met her first husband (because he was a douchebag) and probably pulled the strings on her second one marrying the kid of one of his butt boys

Konstantin also enjoyed being screwed by his father (the freaking NKVD made him sign papers saying he would never reveal who his father was) and he was tossed out of the communist party (accused of being an american spy)
 
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