Post Cold War Nuclear Powers

Agentdark

Challenge

After the fall of the Soviet Union, how do we get the nuclear power list to reflect the following. The POD cannot be earlier then 1980. The Fall of the Soviet Union has to be between 1985 and 1992.

USA
Russia
UK
France
China
India
Pakistan
Ukraine
Belarus
Kazackstan
South Africa
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Isreal
 
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Alexius

Does that mean no nuclear India? If that is the case, India has to give up nuclear capability (first test was 1974, before your POD).
Also, you put Israel twice.

Assuming one of your Israels was meant to be India:
The former Soviet states need to have a military threat to keep nuclear weapons- perhaps have the August Coup succeed, so that a nuclear capability is what prevents Russia from trying to re-establish control.

Not sure about the Middle East or South Africa...
 

Agentdark

Heh, thanks for the mention about the 2 Isreals...

One hint

For the Middle East, they dont have to develop the weapons on their own
 
Gryphon

Gryphon

Well, about the only difficulties are getting nukes to Iran and Saudi Arabia while keeping them from N Korea. Maybe NK gets invaded instead of Iraq in 2003?

Then, NK nuclear scientists run to Iran? Kinda ASB, but possible.

Iran gets nukes from NK scientists. Since NK tested a couple years ago, let's say that Iran tests about 2007 or '08.

Saudi Arabia creates a crash nuclear program to get the bomb to balance Iran. Scientists from South Africa and Iraq try to help them.

There you go, all the powers on your list have nuclear weapons and no one else, by about 2010.

The big challenges are keeping North Korea from getting them and somehow getting Saudi Arabia and iran to get them, otherwise it's just treaties that never go through, or, in the case of South Africa, have apartheid stay in place or have Mandela act rather strangely for a few days. All entirely possible.

Of course, there's also the interesting possibility of one of our ex-Soviet countries to get really cash-strapped, and sell a couple bombs to the MidEast... that'll solve it quick.
 
TheMann

TheMann

Most of those already have them. That counts the USA, UK, France, China and Russia, as well as Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Just have the four former USSR nations keep control of their nuclear weapons.

India, Israel and South Africa had their own nukes in 1985. Israel's program was exposed by Mordechai Vanunu in 1986, India's first bomb was tested in 1974 and South Africa was known to have nukes by then. Iran and Saudi Arabia are a bit tougher.

The Iranians could go two ways - the Shah stays in power and becomes a reliable enough friend that the West turns a blind eye to his nuclear capability, or during the Iran-Iraq war the Iranians undertake a crash course to build nuclear weapons. I would hope the war is over before they have them, or else Baghdad would be history, and the Arabs would get uglier and fast. If you go down that route, the Saudis could build their own nukes as a response to Iran.
 

whaleofashrimp

actually...I'm going out on a limb here...there are rumers that the saudi's bought several warheads years ago after the collapse of the soviet union...they keep them under tight security and claim nothing out of embarresment....
some speculate that we know and that they know we know....but just like we pretend to be oblivious to there MASSIVE support of terrorism we also see,hear nor speak any evil when it comes to "the stash"
 
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