Possible US Alliances

The Question here is in regards to another thread concerning a Strong Alliance with Mexico that sparked my interest in other possibilities such as any other countries that could form a UK/US Special Relationship with the US before the year 1900 which in my Opinion seems to have the most possible chance off such event to take place.

What Countries and subsequently What incidents could spark such relationship and subsequently a Alliance that would be creditable (for a lack of a better term) in the long term?
 
Russia was one of America's greatest allies in the 19th Century. A continuation of that would be interesting.

If American Borneo comes through connections with Siam and Aceh could be stronger. Morocco was America's "first ally" - America could be established as protector at the Berlin Conference to stop European infighting over it.
 
A US-Russian alliance would be a nightmare on the world stage. So, of course it would be interesting to see. Two large countries by landmass, neither with conflicting territorial possessions or interests, and two spheres of influence which, before WW2 OTL, don't really overlap.

The best PoD probably would be sometime during the Civil War, where Russia sends a small but noticeable amount of material support for the US, with the US reciprocating it afterwards. Russia would have to liberalize some for the alliance to be acceptable. Smarter decisions could be made to stamp out the threat of communism, and the country might be able to transform into a constitutional monarchy a good ways into the 20th century.

Do be fair, though. A Russo-American alliance would put Britain on edge. Its two largest domains would be threatened by a large ally that it can't beat on land alone, much less at the same time. That will probably drive them closer to the Europeans on the continent and the Ottomans. I'm unsure of what France might do in this situation, as they could go either way. The stronger German power would ally with GB/Ottomans, and the weaker one, again, would go either way. Considering as the weaker is AH, though, I see them going with Germany. And that much alone would have Italy I am unsure of as well. Mind that this might also push forward the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, as Japan would feel threatened in the pacific by the two allied nations.

All conjecture, of course, but it is one possibility.

To be honest, this caught my eye as I've had a timeline I've been developing for a fiction on another site. ASB, as it is in the World of Darkness, but it has the US allying with Russia, Siam, alt-Yugoslavia and Austro-Bavaria. (PoD would be a different Meiji Reformation) The major changes don't come until alt-WW1, although eventually American Sicily and Canadian Guernsey and Jersey do come about as one of the odder parts. The timeline is incidental to the story, so I haven't worked too much on it. Most of the changes are in my head.
 
A US-Russian alliance would be a nightmare on the world stage. So, of course it would be interesting to see. Two large countries by landmass, neither with conflicting territorial possessions or interests, and two spheres of influence which, before WW2 OTL, don't really overlap.

The best PoD probably would be sometime during the Civil War, where Russia sends a small but noticeable amount of material support for the US, with the US reciprocating it afterwards. Russia would have to liberalize some for the alliance to be acceptable. Smarter decisions could be made to stamp out the threat of communism, and the country might be able to transform into a constitutional monarchy a good ways into the 20th century.

Do be fair, though. A Russo-American alliance would put Britain on edge. Its two largest domains would be threatened by a large ally that it can't beat on land alone, much less at the same time. That will probably drive them closer to the Europeans on the continent and the Ottomans. I'm unsure of what France might do in this situation, as they could go either way. The stronger German power would ally with GB/Ottomans, and the weaker one, again, would go either way. Considering as the weaker is AH, though, I see them going with Germany. And that much alone would have Italy I am unsure of as well. Mind that this might also push forward the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, as Japan would feel threatened in the pacific by the two allied nations.

All conjecture, of course, but it is one possibility.

To be honest, this caught my eye as I've had a timeline I've been developing for a fiction on another site. ASB, as it is in the World of Darkness, but it has the US allying with Russia, Siam, alt-Yugoslavia and Austro-Bavaria. (PoD would be a different Meiji Reformation) The major changes don't come until alt-WW1, although eventually American Sicily and Canadian Guernsey and Jersey do come about as one of the odder parts. The timeline is incidental to the story, so I haven't worked too much on it. Most of the changes are in my head.

Interesting a Russian-American Bloc formed on the basis of a Military Defense pact during the American Civil War in the face of hostile Anglo-French intervention in the Civil War.

I was always puzzled why the US never really sought such a thing in the aftermath of the Civil War given the widespread of Arms and Munitions that the Confederates where armed with, the heavy and wide spread destruction that was done to the US Merchant Navy, and blatant pro Confederate attitude of England and France.

In this situation more heavy interference, Arms and Munitions, more heavy British Military build up in North America, the Laird Rams being delivered to the Confederates without a breakout of war, really numerous reasons that would lead to more heavy tension between England, France and the US.

In which case Using that as a platform alongside mexico, something interesting could occur with a enterprising President, Congress or figure leading it, the French invasion of the Mexico could lead to more bitter and bloodier fighting coinciding with more French involvement into the CSA with a basis on further growth into the new Mexican Government when he CSA independence was secured.

Leading to a heavy US Military response after a successful US Victory over the Confederacy in which this situation will be based on.

Thus Mexico invariantly being included into a Russian-American Bloc in the aftermath of the Civil War, hmm that is a interesting scenario if i do say so myself, more definition and finer points would need to be hammered out for it to come into existence and for future platform of where such a bloc would lead to.

But i would imagine if such a bloc was to come into existence then it would be a very large POD and a very different world.
 

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Remember, it took WW II for the US to commit to peacetime

Interesting a Russian-American Bloc formed on the basis of a Military Defense pact during the American Civil War in the face of hostile Anglo-French intervention in the Civil War.

I was always puzzled why the US never really sought such a thing in the aftermath of the Civil War given the widespread of Arms and Munitions that the Confederates where armed with, the heavy and wide spread destruction that was done to the US Merchant Navy, and blatant pro Confederate attitude of England and France.

In this situation more heavy interference, Arms and Munitions, more heavy British Military build up in North America, the Laird Rams being delivered to the Confederates without a breakout of war, really numerous reasons that would lead to more heavy tension between England, France and the US.

In which case Using that as a platform alongside mexico, something interesting could occur with a enterprising President, Congress or figure leading it, the French invasion of the Mexico could lead to more bitter and bloodier fighting coinciding with more French involvement into the CSA with a basis on further growth into the new Mexican Government when he CSA independence was secured.

Leading to a heavy US Military response after a successful US Victory over the Confederacy in which this situation will be based on.

Thus Mexico invariantly being included into a Russian-American Bloc in the aftermath of the Civil War, hmm that is a interesting scenario if i do say so myself, more definition and finer points would need to be hammered out for it to come into existence and for future platform of where such a bloc would lead to.

But i would imagine if such a bloc was to come into existence then it would be a very large POD and a very different world.

Remember, it took WW II for the US to commit to peacetime alliances; the desire to avoid entangling alliances was very strong, as the US had come close to war with France in alliance with Britain and to war with Britain in alliance with France during the Napoleonic conflicts - the US tried very hard to avoid such for the next 150 years, essentially.

So, as questionable as the actions of Britain and France during the Civil War were, it would take a lot more to lead to a change in US policy regarding alliances in the Nineteenth Century...

Something like an Anglo-American war, perhaps...;)

Best,
 
Russia would have to liberalize some for the alliance to be acceptable.
Yes, we all know USA doesn't aligns itself with conservative illiberal countries :rolleyes:

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I was gonna say a US-France alliance if Napoleon doesn't come to power, but such a thing would be impossible.

A United States that was humiliated on the world stage during the American Civil War (mainly by Britain and France) could ally with Germany, going the TL 191 route.
 
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