Possible Third Constantinople?

I got the idea whilst looking at a map (something I tend to do often, considering this is an alternate history website) that perhaps the site of Lisbon or the strait of Gibraltar could provide a good possible site for a city that will be able to funnel trade from the Atlantic, as well as have good ground for a new city. Not very plausible, but I thought it may be interesting to have the eastern capital as Constantinople, middle as Rome, and western as Hispania or something. Any ideas for how this could occur?
 
Perhaps it doesn't have to be called Hispania then. Named after another Roman emperor perhaps? Augustia or something?

No I mean, the cities distance is far greater than Constantinople. So it would not work exactly like Constantinople did or could. The best example of a Constantinople position is something like Detroit or such.
 
I'm pretty sure the largest city in Roman Hispania was Tarraco (Tarragona), but it could also be Caesaraugusta (Zaragoza), Emerita Augusta (Merída) or Carthago Nova (Cartagena). I'm pretty sure those were the big cities in Roman Hispania.
 
No I mean, the cities distance is far greater than Constantinople. So it would not work exactly like Constantinople did or could. The best example of a Constantinople position is something like Detroit or such.

Ah, I understand. It could be closer, maybe Gaul... but that might be stretching it. Perhaps a city around Valencia or Barcelona world work
 

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Have Roman Empire last up to the discovery of the Americas and then make modern day Cadiz/Libson your third major city.
 
Have Roman Empire last up to the discovery of the Americas and then make modern day Cadiz/Libson your third major city.

That's what I was considering. It would be very hard to have it last that long/have the Romans want to discover the Americas though. However, it could certainly let them build up a large west coast city, like was imagined.
 

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have the eastern capital as Constantinople, middle as Rome, and western as Hispania or something

ASB version: The Roman Empire survives into the fourth millennium, becomes a cyberpunk dystopia, and the entire Iberian Peninsula becomes a version of the Kowloon Walled City.

Have Roman Empire last up to the discovery of the Americas and then make modern day Cadiz/Libson your third major city.
The Three Constantinoples:
  1. Constantinople (Nova Roma)
  2. New York City (Nova Caesaraugusta)
  3. Singapore (Nova Alexandria)
 
ASB version: The Roman Empire survives into the fourth millennium, becomes a cyberpunk dystopia, and the entire Iberian Peninsula becomes a version of the Kowloon Walled City.


The Three Constantinoples:
  1. Constantinople (Nova Roma)
  2. New York City (Nova Caesaraugusta)
  3. Singapore (Nova Alexandria)

Both of those sound awesome :p
 
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For "control of straits/strategic locations", there's always moving the capital away from Rome to Carthage (oh the heresy!) for control of the Strait of Sicily. Although as I've also mentioned Tingis/Tangier, I think two African cities serving as "Rome" would be excessive, so you could put the other anywhere on the Iberian side of Gibraltar from Cartagena (two Carthages, nice) to Huelva.

No I mean, the cities distance is far greater than Constantinople. So it would not work exactly like Constantinople did or could. The best example of a Constantinople position is something like Detroit or such.

Not many cities have such a strategic location as Constantinople, which inherently limits the potential sites.

But for controlling strategic straits, Tangier/Tingis is possibly the best location, as it isn't hemmed in by mountains like, say, Gibraltar (or Ceuta) is and has more potential for growth.

I'm pretty sure the largest city in Roman Hispania was Tarraco (Tarragona), but it could also be Caesaraugusta (Zaragoza), Emerita Augusta (Merída) or Carthago Nova (Cartagena). I'm pretty sure those were the big cities in Roman Hispania.

For the purposes of this thread, I would assume the closest major city to the straits of Gibraltar would be what the OP is looking for. And it was the most important city of Mauretania Tingitana (and probably impossible to beat in the Roman Era for that province no matter how strong Mauretania Tingitana could ever get, including "Rome conquers the rest of modern Morocco"), which was part of the Diocese of Hispania in the late empire, and thus would fit as an important regional center of Hispania.

ASB version: The Roman Empire survives into the fourth millennium, becomes a cyberpunk dystopia, and the entire Iberian Peninsula becomes a version of the Kowloon Walled City.

Wow, that's over 730 billion people in Iberia alone. I hope they took apart all the mountains to convert into apartment blocks with 3D printing or something somehow. Must be the future of the most wankish "Roman Empire industrialises" scenarios.
 
For "control of straits/strategic locations", there's always moving the capital away from Rome to Carthage (oh the heresy!) for control of the Strait of Sicily. Although as I've also mentioned Tingis/Tangier, I think two African cities serving as "Rome" would be excessive, so you could put the other anywhere on the Iberian side of Gibraltar from Cartagena (two Carthages, nice) to Huelva.



Not many cities have such a strategic location as Constantinople, which inherently limits the potential sites.

But for controlling strategic straits, Tangier/Tingis is possibly the best location, as it isn't hemmed in by mountains like, say, Gibraltar (or Ceuta) is and has more potential for growth.



For the purposes of this thread, I would assume the closest major city to the straits of Gibraltar would be what the OP is looking for. And it was the most important city of Mauretania Tingitana (and probably impossible to beat in the Roman Era for that province no matter how strong Mauretania Tingitana could ever get, including "Rome conquers the rest of modern Morocco"), which was part of the Diocese of Hispania in the late empire, and thus would fit as an important regional center of Hispania.



Wow, that's over 730 billion people in Iberia alone. I hope they took apart all the mountains to convert into apartment blocks with 3D printing or something somehow. Must be the future of the most wankish "Roman Empire industrialises" scenarios.

Nay, the entire empire shall be the walled city! Actually, the world! And turn the world into a giant city in the shape of an alien space bat!

Anyways, I do agree with you and think that Tangier would probably be the most likely site.
 
Nay, the entire empire shall be the walled city! Actually, the world! And turn the world into a giant city in the shape of an alien space bat!

Anyways, I do agree with you and think that Tangier would probably be the most likely site.

The math gives almost 187 trillion people for Earth with the density of the Kowloon Walled City, considering only current land area. We'd need Atlantropa and more to help us there.
 
So, for a city closest to the Strait, Emerita Augusta is the best candidate? Or Carthago Nova for its coastline? There was also a guy a while up who mentioned a city near Valencia or Barcelona, for which Tarraco would be the prime specimen.
 
So, for a city closest to the Strait, Emerita Augusta is the best candidate? Or Carthago Nova for its coastline? There was also a guy a while up who mentioned a city near Valencia or Barcelona, for which Tarraco would be the prime specimen.

Why would Emerita Augusta be any good, being inland? Just go with Carthago Nova instead.
 
If we've moved over to a Gallic capital (gee, who knew a Gallic victory at Chalons would let them conquer all the way to Palmyra?), then, since it should have a coastline, Aquae Sextiae would probably be an excellent choice for this Third Rome.
 
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