Possibility of and Consequences of Permanent Antarctic Settlement

Possibility of Antarctic Settlement
Could Native Americans have colonised Antarctica? If so when, and on what conditions?

Could Polynesians have colonised Antarctica? If so when, and on what conditions?

Could a European state(Britain, Norway, Germany, Spain, other) have colonised Antartica? If so when, and on what conditions?

Could a venture of independant settlers(similar to the norse settlement of North Atlantic islands like Iceland) from Europe have colonised Antarctica? If so when, and on what conditions?
Consequences of Antarctic Settlement
Would any permanent settled population in antarctica be considered indiginous? When would a Antartic people be considered indiginous? How long in years? Why would a population be considered indiginous?

How would Antarctic population impact the "conquest" of Antarctica? OTL Norway annexed Dronning Maud Land in 1939.

Would there be anything equal or similar to the Antarctic Treaty System in such a ATL?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

Could Antarctica become a independant country?

How would an independant Antarcticas economy be like?

What would an independant Antarcticas military and defense strategy look like?
Scenarios
Critique my scenarios and suggest improvements.
Scenario 1: A ship with European settlers get's stranded in Antarctica. Somehow they survive. Overtime they expand too the entire continent(mostly the coast). Maybe some Greenlandic Norse, Sami, Icelanders can be potential colonists? Or someone else, does anyone has a good suggestion?
1. How long would it likely take for this new population to inhabit most or all of Antarctica, if they arrived in the 1500s?
2. How could they manage to keep contact with each other?
 
Honestly, it's a slightly fucked idea,

Hitler wins, utterly, but the "final solution" and Ost Plan prove to be economically unviable, destroying cultures prove to be far too much

Thus, he sends thousands upon millions of his victims to the Antarctic peninsula, establishing them as a puppet state on the grounds of Slovakia or the Vichy Regime
 
I did a thread about more maritime Fuegians. In short, island hopping Fuegians (likely of Yaghan extract) would settle the Falklands and then South Georgia, where they'd migrate south to the South Sandwich Islands and cross the Antarctic sea ice in search of food--seabirds, seals, and whales. Eventually they'd get to the Antarctic peninsula and settle down there and eke out a living. I don't see them settling the other parts of Antarctica, since the climate is even more extreme, and anything inland would be likewise impossible since there's absolutely nothing there.

Polynesians could not colonise Antarctica. It is too far and too different from their lifestyle. Their settlements in the sub-Antarctic islands of New Zealand failed IOTL, and those places are bountiful paradises compared to Antarctica.

Their population would be no more than a few hundred due to the general lack of food. When whalers and sealers arrive to the Antarctic Peninsula by the 19th century, they will rapidly drive the Antarcticans into extinction, repeating the same trends which would destroy the native South Georgians and Falklanders. Their main food sources will be depleted, other food will be outright stolen, their women will be abducted and raped, their men will be murdered, alcoholism will become common, and the "best" case scenario for them at that point would be the few survivors being moved to a mission somewhere in the Falklands, South Georgia, or Tierra del Fuego, where they will likely die out by the mid-late 20th century. Some mixed-race individuals will likely exist afterwards.

Legally this might have some ramifications in international law. If someone on behalf of, say, the British Empire signs a treaty with these Antarcticans, then what does this mean for national claims on Antarctica? What are the legal rights of descendents of these Antarcticans? Do they legally own the land? What about sea resources harvested in the area? How much of Antarctica do they legally own even though they were only limited to the Antarctic Peninsula? If they are citizens of, say, Argentina or Chile, does this mean Argentina or Chile legally owns a part of Antarctica?

But Antarctica is a horrible, horrible place to live. The only place that comes close to Antarctica's hellishly cold environment is the interior of Greenland. Even the High Arctic like northern Greenland or Ellesmere Island are nicer, since they have a much larger diversity in plants (some of which are edible) and animals (like the muskox).

Could a European state(Britain, Norway, Germany, Spain, other) have colonised Antartica? If so when, and on what conditions?

Not until the late 20th century would it become remotely viable, and that's only if South Africa and the Southern Cone have collapsed into civil wars which constrain the exports of their mineral resources would it be economic to mine Antarctica.

Could a venture of independant settlers(similar to the norse settlement of North Atlantic islands like Iceland) from Europe have colonised Antarctica? If so when, and on what conditions?

No, they would die. Iceland is a paradise compared to Antarctica, a literal ice land.

Consequences of Antarctic Settlement
Would any permanent settled population in antarctica be considered indiginous? When would a Antartic people be considered indiginous? How long in years? Why would a population be considered indiginous?

How would Antarctic population impact the "conquest" of Antarctica? OTL Norway annexed Dronning Maud Land in 1939.

See above, and it wouldn't be pretty for the natives.

Could Antarctica become a independant country?

How would an independant Antarcticas economy be like?

What would an independant Antarcticas military and defense strategy look like?

The population is too low, and the economy would be too dependent on other nations. Indigenous Antarcticans are not likely to have any more than a few hundred descendents. The world will not want Antarctica to fall under the control of one nation. Likely only the Antarctic Peninsula would be allowed to be colonised.

Any Antarctican economy would be based on tourism, fishing, and mining. It would be akin to Greenland in many ways, including the heavy dependence on being subsidised by the mother country. If Antarctica were independent, such subsidies would end. It's like asking if Svalbard could become independent--it would be totally against the interests of the people living there.

The other scenario for independent Antarctica would be in a severe global warming situation, no earlier than the 22nd century, when the icecaps start to melt and sea level rises. Combined with resource depletion elsewhere, settling and mining Antarctica will start to appear very attractive. We'd also have to not have the space infrastructure by then to make asteroid mining more profitable. Although only gold and platinum group metals are viable to retrieve from space, those metals are common in Antarctica and would make up a huge part of the economy there. IOTL they are not profitable to mine since the entire infrastructure needs to built from scratch in a horrible, horrible environment for construction and shipped out in a horrible environment for shipping (pack ice, severe wind, stormy seas, etc.). We don't even know where they are (we just know they're probably there, given the geologic history of Antarctica), and exploratory geology costs money.

Scenarios
Critique my scenarios and suggest improvements.
Scenario 1: A ship with European settlers get's stranded in Antarctica. Somehow they survive. Overtime they expand too the entire continent(mostly the coast). Maybe some Greenlandic Norse, Sami, Icelanders can be potential colonists? Or someone else, does anyone has a good suggestion?
1. How long would it likely take for this new population to inhabit most or all of Antarctica, if they arrived in the 1500s?
2. How could they manage to keep contact with each other?

Completely implausible. They would all die out within months. They wouldn't even reach Antarctica due to the sea ice. It's too expensive and dangerous to ship things that far south. The climate and lifestyle of these people would need to be changed almost entirely. Even the Inuit couldn't survive (not without a lot of help from Europeans bringing food) if you transplanted them to Antarctica--even in the much kinder High Arctic, the Inuit suffered miserably and needed help from the Canadian government to survive (at first) when the government forcibly moved them to the area in the 1950s.

Greenlandic Norse (who couldn't survive in the far nicer southern Greenland) and Icelanders are an agricultural people who rely on their animals for survival. Agriculture is impossible in Antarctica. Trees can't grow in Antarctica. The result is a lot of dead Norse and dead livestock. The Sami rely on their reindeer. Reindeer can't survive in Antarctica because there's no food for them to eat. The Sami have no experience with a hunter-gatherer lifestyle in such a different region. The result is a lot of dead Sami and reindeer.

Politically the ramifications would be that some people back home in Europe will be losing their jobs, if not their heads, for such an idiotic scheme. Better and actually plausible to relocate some Sami to Iceland or use the same resources to recolonise Greenland.

Why would anyone want to colonize Antarctica?

Whales, seals, and fish. Which you can get elsewhere in much bigger numbers until you've driven them into extinction. The only group which can't would be native Antarcticans.

Honestly, it's a slightly fucked idea,

Hitler wins, utterly, but the "final solution" and Ost Plan prove to be economically unviable, destroying cultures prove to be far too much

Thus, he sends thousands upon millions of his victims to the Antarctic peninsula, establishing them as a puppet state on the grounds of Slovakia or the Vichy Regime

How is that any more economically viable than the well-practiced Nazi method of extermination through labour or just outright extermination? It costs a lot of money to ship people to a barren land where nothing can grow (I don't even think cold weather crops like potatoes can grow in the Antarctic Peninsula), and then it costs money to keep them alive and ship out whatever resources they're mining. Don't forget building the necessary port infrastructure from scratch.

Maybe some refugees migrate their to avioid persecution?

How many refugees seriously have the skills to survive in such a brutal environment? How many would even want to try it? They can't move to Antarctic bases, since those have limited food and only accept a limited amount of non-scientists, who are expected to pay for their stay there. Who will even take them to Antarctica? Why even go to Antarctica when it's literally the worst place on Earth to go to?

If they got stranded in Antarctica, then they will die. If they survive, they will seek rescue, and hopefully get it and be on their way to somewhere else.
 
Clearly what happens is that the Antarcticans develop a terrifying civilization based around cannibalism, incest, mutilation and torture, then develop the greatest rockets on earth and go to war with the rest of humanity.
 
Honestly, it's a slightly fucked idea,

Hitler wins, utterly, but the "final solution" and Ost Plan prove to be economically unviable, destroying cultures prove to be far too much

Thus, he sends thousands upon millions of his victims to the Antarctic peninsula, establishing them as a puppet state on the grounds of Slovakia or the Vichy Regime
Would be difficult to ensure the lifesupport for these millions of people.
 
I did a thread about more maritime Fuegians. In short, island hopping Fuegians (likely of Yaghan extract) would settle the Falklands and then South Georgia, where they'd migrate south to the South Sandwich Islands and cross the Antarctic sea ice in search of food--seabirds, seals, and whales. Eventually they'd get to the Antarctic peninsula and settle down there and eke out a living. I don't see them settling the other parts of Antarctica, since the climate is even more extreme, and anything inland would be likewise impossible since there's absolutely nothing there.

Their population would be no more than a few hundred due to the general lack of food. When whalers and sealers arrive to the Antarctic Peninsula by the 19th century, they will rapidly drive the Antarcticans into extinction, repeating the same trends which would destroy the native South Georgians and Falklanders. Their main food sources will be depleted, other food will be outright stolen, their women will be abducted and raped, their men will be murdered, alcoholism will become common, and the "best" case scenario for them at that point would be the few survivors being moved to a mission somewhere in the Falklands, South Georgia, or Tierra del Fuego, where they will likely die out by the mid-late 20th century. Some mixed-race individuals will likely exist afterwards.
I will visit your thread, seems interesting ;)

Do you think that the ice shelfes could besides the Antarctic peninsula be a good area for settlement?

Basically in your scenario the Antarcticans have a genocide commited against them or maybe their way of life is just severly disrupted. The whalers who would visit Antarcitca would be mostly male like in OTL, so there might be someone who would look for native women.
Polynesians could not colonise Antarctica. It is too far and too different from their lifestyle. Their settlements in the sub-Antarctic islands of New Zealand failed IOTL, and those places are bountiful paradises compared to Antarctica.
Kk. Did they fail due to perishing or did they just give up?
Legally this might have some ramifications in international law. If someone on behalf of, say, the British Empire signs a treaty with these Antarcticans, then what does this mean for national claims on Antarctica? What are the legal rights of descendents of these Antarcticans? Do they legally own the land? What about sea resources harvested in the area? How much of Antarctica do they legally own even though they were only limited to the Antarctic Peninsula? If they are citizens of, say, Argentina or Chile, does this mean Argentina or Chile legally owns a part of Antarctica?
I think that here we can have fruitfull exploratory conversation.
But Antarctica is a horrible, horrible place to live. The only place that comes close to Antarctica's hellishly cold environment is the interior of Greenland. Even the High Arctic like northern Greenland or Ellesmere Island are nicer, since they have a much larger diversity in plants (some of which are edible) and animals (like the muskox).
Antarctica has sources of meet that can be harvested and likely would be the main source of food. Some sources might be very difficult to get.

- marine mammals
- birds (penguin, avian birds)
- Fish
No, they would die. Iceland is a paradise compared to Antarctica, a literal ice land.
Other places colonised by independant bands of settler include Faroes and Greenland but i guess you don't think that these are equal models.
The population is too low, and the economy would be too dependent on other nations. Indigenous Antarcticans are not likely to have any more than a few hundred descendents. The world will not want Antarctica to fall under the control of one nation. Likely only the Antarctic Peninsula would be allowed to be colonised.
https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/180308-adelie-penguin-mega-colony-discovered-vin-spd
THere are millions penguins and lots of other animals living in and around Antarctica. I think that in a pre contact(assuming your fuegian scenario), the Antarctic population could number a couple thousand. The food neccesary for such a population is present. The challenge is to be able migrate where the food is, me thinks.
Any Antarctican economy would be based on tourism, fishing, and mining. It would be akin to Greenland in many ways, including the heavy dependence on being subsidised by the mother country. If Antarctica were independent, such subsidies would end. It's like asking if Svalbard could become independent--it would be totally against the interests of the people living there.
If Antarctica has a low population then it's inhabitants may be relativly wealthy. Most likely the state would have to be very involved in the economy with ownership to ensure it's citizens prosperity.

Antarctica's economy has
- Fishing rights: can either fish themselfes or lease to others
- Tourism: Cruises
- Mining: I am unsure if this would be allowed or just frowned upon in the international community. I also imagine that lots of tourists who travel to Antarctiva would be opposed to it and may boycott Antarctica due to mining. This would be bad for tourism income for the Antarctic state. Many locals may also oppose mining. Still mining may exist to some degree.
- Research bases: Antarctica may recieve income for leases for research bases.
- Hunting: Some animals may be hunted if the hunting authorities is sure it is sustainable, these animal products may then be consumed or exported. Some foreign hunters might also buy hunting licences, something that would be linked with tourism.
How many refugees seriously have the skills to survive in such a brutal environment? How many would even want to try it? They can't move to Antarctic bases, since those have limited food and only accept a limited amount of non-scientists, who are expected to pay for their stay there. Who will even take them to Antarctica? Why even go to Antarctica when it's literally the worst place on Earth to go to?

If they got stranded in Antarctica, then they will die. If they survive, they will seek rescue, and hopefully get it and be on their way to somewhere else.
I was thinking of pre modern refugges around the 1500-1700s. Some of them would have experience sewing. Some would know how to hunt and fish. Some would know how to make tools. Some would know how to read the stars. Some would know how to read the landscape.

If these refugees got stranded then they would get stuck, if they went to Antarctica willingly then they would likely have some familiarity with Antarctica.

Neccesity is the mother of invention. We don't know what kind of solutions that might be invented to meet this groups needs.
 
@metalinvader665 's Fuegian scenario is the only remote possibility I see.

But what one of your questions shows much more wonderfully is how the category "indigenous" is really a construct that can't be separated from its eurocentric origins.
 
I feel like life for the Antarctic peoples wouldn't be that bad, actually. The Antarctic Circumpolar Current is really, really strong. That alone will help them a lot because any intrepid explorer is going to end up getting stuck in the current until the eighteenth century. Ultimately, I predict the Europeans would look at them, they'd think "neat," England might have them sign a treaty that makes them technically part of the British Empire but after that nobody bothers them.until the 1900s. The thing is, everything Antarctica has to offer, the rest of the world offers cheaper, quicker, and not from a frozen hellhole. In the 1900's Britain might send someone to organize the territory, which would essentially mean giving enough guns to whoever pays the best lip service to England to unify the Antarctic tribes because Englands fighting a world war and is too busy to collect tribute from each little tribe. At this point, whalers going after them are going to have real consequences on the wailers. After decolonization (I'm going out on a limb here to say Antarctic civilization really isn't gonna have a lotta consequences on world history, thus the convergence) Antarctic civilization starts to shrink as the young leave for better opportunities. However, if the Antarctic nation plays its cards right, it could become something of a tourist hub and a tax haven, launching it into an Antarctic golden age where if the Penguin cull fails and the whales are out of the area they just order some Tomatoes and Potatoes from somewhere north rather than mass starvation or barely eking out with fish.
 
Do you think that the ice shelfes could besides the Antarctic peninsula be a good area for settlement?

Basically in your scenario the Antarcticans have a genocide commited against them or maybe their way of life is just severly disrupted. The whalers who would visit Antarcitca would be mostly male like in OTL, so there might be someone who would look for native women.

Ice shelves are by nature unstable since the coastal ones have a tendency to break off into icebergs (and too far away from the coast there's no food), although they're good for hunting/fishing expeditions.

Other places colonised by independant bands of settler include Faroes and Greenland but i guess you don't think that these are equal models.

No, because the Faroes, Iceland, and Greenland have totally different conditions. Plants and even trees can grow there. This includes the plants you need to sustain animals. Antarctica is mostly barren rock and ice and what few plants (moss and lichens) exist there would not produce the biomass to be able to feed animals or humans. And the conditions in Antarctica are more miserable than the majority of Greenland. Temperatures on the Antarctic Peninsula are regularly below freezing even in the summer (and this is after a century of global warming), and the winds there are the strongest on Earth. The highest temperature ever recorded in Antarctica (in 2015) regularly occurs in South Greenland during the summer.

https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/180308-adelie-penguin-mega-colony-discovered-vin-spd
THere are millions penguins and lots of other animals living in and around Antarctica. I think that in a pre contact(assuming your fuegian scenario), the Antarctic population could number a couple thousand. The food neccesary for such a population is present. The challenge is to be able migrate where the food is, me thinks.

You can't just eat penguins. Too low of carbohydrates and not enough fat will kill you. This has been noted throughout history, and during famines, some American Indian groups and Inuit would suffer from this. This is why the Inuit eat huge quantities of blubber and the fatty parts of seals.

I think I did underestimate pre-contact Antarctica's population though. The Antarctic Peninsula is pretty big, so if I take my estimate of a few hundred people on South Georgia, cut it by 1/3 to adjust for the harsher conditions, lack of trees, fewer plants, then the Antarctic Peninsula at a good 30-50 times the size of South Georgia could have up to 5-6,000 people (realistically a bit less). Assuming there's enough seals and whales to go around for a number that big, and sea plants to add to the diet. There might be enough food to go around to supply all the nutrients needed to that many people.

If Antarctica has a low population then it's inhabitants may be relativly wealthy. Most likely the state would have to be very involved in the economy with ownership to ensure it's citizens prosperity.

Antarctica's economy has
- Fishing rights: can either fish themselfes or lease to others
- Tourism: Cruises
- Mining: I am unsure if this would be allowed or just frowned upon in the international community. I also imagine that lots of tourists who travel to Antarctiva would be opposed to it and may boycott Antarctica due to mining. This would be bad for tourism income for the Antarctic state. Many locals may also oppose mining. Still mining may exist to some degree.
- Research bases: Antarctica may recieve income for leases for research bases.
- Hunting: Some animals may be hunted if the hunting authorities is sure it is sustainable, these animal products may then be consumed or exported. Some foreign hunters might also buy hunting licences, something that would be linked with tourism.

Depends. Greenland (possibly the best example although Antarctica is far more remote) is a first world nation, but has a host of social issues, and in many ways is akin to those issues faced by Inuit in the US and Canada. You basically described the economy, but you'd absolutely have to have mining. It creates employment which would be needed amongst the few thousand native peoples. Possibly, with the existence of a native population and more visits from outsiders (traders, missionaries, etc.), the infrastructure might be somewhat better, but any mining would still probably be at a loss, since the Antarctic Peninsula (where all this infrastructure would be) probably has the exact same sort of deposits as in the Andes, meaning Chile, Peru, and Bolivia can easily outcompete anything found there.

Now, if there were an Antarctic equivalent of Cerro Rico (silver and tin) and near it was an Antarctic equivalent of Chile or Peru's richest copper mines (ideally high grade ores of copper, molybdenum, and some gold on the side), that might be enough to make it profitable, depending on what else was going on in the world. The Andean states, Australia, and South Africa can still out-compete these mines, but it does happen that in the late 20th century South Africa and the Andean nations were known for human rights abuses, and things could have been worse (end of Apartheid leading to South African Civil War), so potentially it might be worth it to mine Antarctica depending on the political climate.

Most mining would occur in the Antarctic Peninsula. The other good places to mine in Antarctica are too remote and not likely to have an indigenous population, therefore no infrastructure, therefore much more difficult (if not impossible) to make profitable.

I was thinking of pre modern refugges around the 1500-1700s. Some of them would have experience sewing. Some would know how to hunt and fish. Some would know how to make tools. Some would know how to read the stars. Some would know how to read the landscape.

If these refugees got stranded then they would get stuck, if they went to Antarctica willingly then they would likely have some familiarity with Antarctica.

Neccesity is the mother of invention. We don't know what kind of solutions that might be invented to meet this groups needs.

Antarctica is a completely alien environment to them. Farming is impossible. You can't sew, because your animals (sheep etc.) will die from starvation. The only skins you'll get are seal pelts. Hunting and fishing will make up your entire diet, but you have to know to eat enough blubber and fat, or you will die, and also to avoid the liver of seals (lest you contract hypervitaminosis A). But your tools will break, and once they do, you'll need to exclusively use tools from rocks and bone. At least until you can find the copper and tin, which isn't a guarantee. The stars appear totally different in the far south, and star charts for the southern hemisphere skies didn't appear until the very end of the 16th century.

I just don't understand why premodern refugees would willingly go to Antarctica. Even if people knew about Antarctica and knew how to sail there (over 12,000 kilometers from Europe), and decided to brave the extreme seas, weather, and ice of the Southern Ocean, they'd be in for a horrible time which would reduce them to hunter-gatherers living the most bare existence possible in one of the most awful environments possible. If you have the sort of mobility to go to Antarctica, and you're a refugee, you'd probably pick literally anywhere else on the planet to flee to.

I feel like life for the Antarctic peoples wouldn't be that bad, actually. The Antarctic Circumpolar Current is really, really strong. That alone will help them a lot because any intrepid explorer is going to end up getting stuck in the current until the eighteenth century. Ultimately, I predict the Europeans would look at them, they'd think "neat," England might have them sign a treaty that makes them technically part of the British Empire but after that nobody bothers them.until the 1900s. The thing is, everything Antarctica has to offer, the rest of the world offers cheaper, quicker, and not from a frozen hellhole. In the 1900's Britain might send someone to organize the territory, which would essentially mean giving enough guns to whoever pays the best lip service to England to unify the Antarctic tribes because Englands fighting a world war and is too busy to collect tribute from each little tribe. At this point, whalers going after them are going to have real consequences on the wailers. After decolonization (I'm going out on a limb here to say Antarctic civilization really isn't gonna have a lotta consequences on world history, thus the convergence) Antarctic civilization starts to shrink as the young leave for better opportunities. However, if the Antarctic nation plays its cards right, it could become something of a tourist hub and a tax haven, launching it into an Antarctic golden age where if the Penguin cull fails and the whales are out of the area they just order some Tomatoes and Potatoes from somewhere north rather than mass starvation or barely eking out with fish.

I don't think it would ever be decolonised. It would be too dependent on subsidies like Greenland. Post-colonialism, the population isn't likely to be particularly high, and there might be some non-indigenous people around (missionaries, traders, etc.).
 
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