Portuguese Hawaii?

You could use East Timor as the base of a phillipines analog, perhaps they keep more islands under there control from the Dutch.
 
Yeah but the Portuguese didn't completely convert the natives and intermarry the dickens out of the Timorese, creating a Catholic hybridized race like they did in Brazil and Spain did practically everywhere in the New World (and the Philippines), did they?
 
To be fair, the Spanish didn't really create much of a mestizo class in the Philippines (only about 1-2% of the population) and even though the place was a friarocracy for centuries, Catholicization took a long time and didn't take in the south or with the highland tribes. Timor and the Philippines had a disease environment that worked in the native's favor, not the other way around as in the New World. Hawaii, with its isolation would be more like the New World (or more correctly Guam) in such a situation. The problem is that Portugal would have no real reason to colonize Hawaii heavily. The only reason Spain stuck around on Guam was that it made a good stopping over point between Mexico and the Philippines.

Now a Spanish Hawaii would be interesting to say the least. King Kalakaua was convinced that Spain visited Hawaii before Cook did, and there is some sparse evidence that ships did stop over before Cook (mostly relating to the widespread diagnosis of tertiary Syphalis among the natives by the ship doctor of the Vancouver expedition).

Maybe I ought to write up something about that one sometime.
 
Yeah but the Portuguese didn't completely convert the natives and intermarry the dickens out of the Timorese, creating a Catholic hybridized race like they did in Brazil and Spain did practically everywhere in the New World (and the Philippines), did they?

Actually massive conversion to Catholicism happened during Indonesian occupation, and guess what ? It(the conversion) was NOT for opposition against Indonesian rule, but as the result of "monotheistization" of the country under Indonesian rule.
 
Timor is heavily Catholic and a small minority speak Portuguese.

It is today....

But by the time of Indonesian occupation of the country in 1975, 75% of East Timorese were still animists. Only after that larger scale of conversion into Roman Catholicism occurred, and was positively responded by the Indonesian government which at that time was still more "Pancasilaist" under Suharto's reign.
 
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mojojojo

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It is today....

But by the time of Indonesian occupation of the country in 1975, 75% of East Timorese were still animists. Only after that larger scale of conversions into Roman Catholicism occured, and were generally supported by the Indonesian government which at that time was still more "Pancasilaist" under Suharto's reign.

Fascinating, and just how did that happen?
 
Fascinating, and just how did that happen?

Fascinating? And why the font ? :confused:

Anyway, Indonesia at that time didn't recognize traditional religions (still is, though only officially nowadays), and required all the citizens to adopt one of the 5 religions (now 6) recognized by the government, which Roman Catholicism was one of them. Unlike today, Constitutional Monotheism wasn't very nominal....
 
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mojojojo

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I see. But how about the 'fascinating' part ? Albeit Constitutional Monotheism doesn't occur quite often, and I dare to say it's a uniquely Indonesian feature.
I don't know it just seemed kind of interesting, What are the accepted religions?
 
Now a Spanish Hawaii would be interesting to say the least. King Kalakaua was convinced that Spain visited Hawaii before Cook did, and there is some sparse evidence that ships did stop over before Cook (mostly relating to the widespread diagnosis of tertiary Syphalis among the natives by the ship doctor of the Vancouver expedition).

Maybe I ought to write up something about that one sometime.

The easiest place to look would be the records of the Hawaiian Historical Society. Unfortunately, I don't think they have the back issues of their publication online yet.
 
I don't know it just seemed kind of interesting, What are the accepted religions?

what kind of "interesting" ? ;)

The 5 other officially recognized religions are Protestanism, Roman Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism(post-Gus Dur admin.). Though today in Reformasi Era, the application of this law is very nominal in practice.
 
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