Portuguese Goa receives additional territory

No clue on the history or context on Portuguese Goa, though interested to know how much larger Goa could have grown in a scenario where much of India still becomes part of the British Empire?
 

Lusitania

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Ok there are several maps about India. The additions are listed after each war. If you interested look at the links and look for wars in India.
 
Ok there are several maps about India. The additions are listed after each war. If you interested look at the links and look for wars in India.

Found the following post that appears to indicate ATL Goa gaining parts of Uttara Kannada (north of Kumta), Maharashtra (possibly limited to Sindhudurg and Kolhapur) and the Belgaum District?
 

Lusitania

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Found the following post that appears to indicate ATL Goa gaining parts of Uttara Kannada (north of Kumta), Maharashtra (possibly limited to Sindhudurg and Kolhapur) and the Belgaum District?
Yes we also had a Portuguese-Mysore war beforehand that resulted in Goa receiving territory in South. During the 18th century Goa doubled in size IOTL and in my TL it does so again by gaining territory from Maratha and Mysore. It was really only in the later 18th and early 19th century that British boxed the Portuguese in.
 
Yes we also had a Portuguese-Mysore war beforehand that resulted in Goa receiving territory in South. During the 18th century Goa doubled in size IOTL and in my TL it does so again by gaining territory from Maratha and Mysore. It was really only in the later 18th and early 19th century that British boxed the Portuguese in.

I see, have yourself or any fans of the TL created a Q-BAM / M-BAM map on ATL expanded Goa?

Also wonder via an earlier POD or few, a TL could be formed where the Portuguese and British come to an agreement where the former gains a similar amount of territory for Goa in return for ceding ATL territory in other parts of the Portuguese Empire to the British pre-1820 or would it require more changes beyond the scope of this thread?
 

Lusitania

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I see, have yourself or any fans of the TL created a Q-BAM / M-BAM map on ATL expanded Goa?

Also wonder via an earlier POD or few, a TL could be formed where the Portuguese and British come to an agreement where the former gains a similar amount of territory for Goa in return for ceding ATL territory in other parts of the Portuguese Empire to the British pre-1820 or would it require more changes beyond the scope of this thread?
Actually the British East company at one time wanted to take over Portuguese India and give Portuguese Malacca instead. Therefore the situation iOTL was not the best. Also after 1750 is when the Maratha start declining, So the best would be the Portuguese never enter the Iberian union in 1580 and do not give the British Bombay. Keep their northern provinces and continue expanding Goa and also keep the southern cities. Thus controlling all or majority of Western Indian Coast and British / French on Bay of Bengal.
 
Actually the British East company at one time wanted to take over Portuguese India and give Portuguese Malacca instead. Therefore the situation iOTL was not the best. Also after 1750 is when the Maratha start declining, So the best would be the Portuguese never enter the Iberian union in 1580 and do not give the British Bombay. Keep their northern provinces and continue expanding Goa and also keep the southern cities. Thus controlling all or majority of Western Indian Coast and British / French on Bay of Bengal.

Not after a complete wank of the Portuguese Empire in India beyond an enlarged ATL Goa (and a slight wank/reshuffling - e.g. gaining Maluku Islands, Sulawesi and Timor plus Lesser Sunda Islands up to Bali / Lombok in return for losing territory elsewhere), though do like the idea of them and the British trading territory if there are other opportunities.
 

Lusitania

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Well it depends which TL you referencing

Rebirth- TL starts in 1750 and we only posted to 1780s therefore a lot of things can still happen. In the 30 years posted so far the Portuguese have about doubled Goa, regained Dutch Malabar and French Mahé to south along with few old ports from Mysore.
In north they turned two enclaves Daman and Diu into separate provinces. They have also limited British to two enclaves (Bombay and Surat) and been recognized as all of western India under Portuguese sphere of influence).

Lots of other expansion in other parts of world also.

Lusophone - TL starts in 1920 and Indian expansion is limited but a Balkanized Indian subcontinent has allowed Portuguese to expand its holdings a little but more importantly removes threat from an united India against Portugal. Similarly in former Dutch East Indies.

In each TL have tried to make Portuguese gains as realistic as possible given the political reality. I guess if I publish a TL in Alien Space bats and other magic we could wank the Portuguese empire considerable. But in both pre and post 1900 forums have tried to keep an element of reality.
 
It is more ATL adjustment of the Portuguese Empire's gains and losses, understand they had quite a presence in OTL Eastern Indonesia outside of Timor though whether they could make further gains to offset ATL losses elsewhere is another matter.
 

Lusitania

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It is more ATL adjustment of the Portuguese Empire's gains and losses, understand they had quite a presence in OTL Eastern Indonesia outside of Timor though whether they could make further gains to offset ATL losses elsewhere is another matter.
But are we talking about Portuguese India or Portuguese east Asia?
 

Lusitania

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More the Portuguese Empire as a whole, which is something that deserves its own thread at some point.
Well Portuguese Timor till early 19th century included the island of Flores. but the betrayal of the governor of Timor in selling the island of Flores stripped the Portuguese of the territory.
 
Well Portuguese Timor till early 19th century included the island of Flores. but the betrayal of the governor of Timor in selling the island of Flores stripped the Portuguese of the territory.

In addition to retaining Portuguese Timor (perhaps even holding the entire island) and Flores, could the Portuguese have also retained and expand their hold over the Maluku Islands and Sulawesi?

For Africa was envisioning slight gains in Namibia (mainly Zambezi and part of Kavango East) as well as Katanga in the Congo and maybe the southern parts of Tanzania to create the closest thing to an ATL Pink Map, plus holding Zanzibar for a bit longer until another power takes it.
 

Lusitania

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It really depends on your pod. For example without Iberian union we could see it retain a lot more of India and east Asia
 
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