Population control in European colonies if no Nazis

If the Nazis never happened, due to Weimar success or some other factor, there is no WW2 and the European colonial empires survive, what would happen with population control in the colonies? Eugenics was common place even in progressive circles, before the Nazis discredited the subject. How much of an impact would non-slaughter based population control have? Would sterilization enforcement be widespread? Would the non-Western population explosion post-1950 be limited?
 
I've always found it a little odd that people say the Nazis discredited eugenics, since there is a qualitative difference between sterilizing people, even forcibly, and outright murdering them, and I don't see why you would need the latter to happen in order to see the wrongness of the former.

It's a little like saying "I used to be in favour of banning poetry, until that political party took power and started murdering poets". Surely, the evils of banning poetry should have been evident right from the moment the idea was proposed, without having to see someone taking it to "the next level" in order to get your moral epiphany.

That said, even with the Nazis allegedly serving as a cautionary example, compulsory sterilization, with varying degrees of fidelity to the original eugenic principles, did manage to maintain a certain degree of popularity in certain democraric jurisdictions, eg. the Canadian province of Alberta(until 1972), and even social-democratic Sweden(until 1976). So, yeah, it's possible that, with NO anti-eugenic backlash counterinspired by the Nazis, you might see the western colonial powers try to implement widespread sterilization programs in the third world. Indira Gandhi OTL tried it in India, with not altogether volntary participation, so why not the boys in London, Paris, Brussels etc?

One "problem" might be if anti-colonialism is still a thing in the ATL. I'm guessing that the Mohandas Gandhis and the Jomo Kenyattas wouldn't be too keen on the colonial authorities coming in and forcing all the brown people to get themselves rendered incapabale of reproducing. So it might become a bit of a sore point(no pun intended), exacerbating the tensions between whitey and the natives.
 
I've always found it a little odd that people say the Nazis discredited eugenics, since there is a qualitative difference between sterilizing people, even forcibly, and outright murdering them, and I don't see why you would need the latter to happen in order to see the wrongness of the former.

It was a descriptive statement not a normative one. I find forced sterilization abominable but the reality is that there did seem to be a strong movement for it in western countries until the Nazis made everyone turn against it.
 
It was a descriptive statement not a normative one. I find forced sterilization abominable but the reality is that there did seem to be a strong movement for it in western countries until the Nazis made everyone turn against it.

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't directing the criticism at you personally. You're right, the Nazi horrors do seem to have turned people against eugenics, logically or otherwise. Or at least, they were the common reason cited by people who were converted away from the movement.
 
Back to the main topic...

One factor to take into account might be the relative power of Catholicism in the respective metropolitans. If places like France and Belgium are run by pro-clerical governments, there might be religious pressure against pursuing mass sterilization in the colonies.
 
Maybe the "childfree" movement gets bigger, earlier on, without the rise of an extremist, genocidal empire dedicated to mass murder. Without something like Nazism, maybe "radical lifestyles" like being childfree would have been up until fifteen years or so ago can catch on faster.

It is no secret that as education and lifestyle improve, people want to have fewer and fewer children, up until a substantial chunk of them desire none. I read very recently, as in a month or two ago, that for the first time in recorded surveying history fewer than 50% of US high school seniors specifically plan on having children someday.

With a widespread and popular childfree culture all over the world, surely at least some of it penetrates to third world nations with some Western historical influence, such as India, even if primarily in the upper/middle classes for a long time. But, it will make some impact, and it will lessen the demand by regimes for forced sterilization.
 
I suspect that even without the Nazis you would end up with some bad shit being done in the name of eugenics given enough time.

The idea that immediately came to mind was someone trying to use "selective breeding" of criminals to create super soldiers. Maybe with added racism ("Lets breed black thugs with clever white women, under the guise of an IVF program in order to see if we can create people who are both strong /violent and clever").

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Okay, my mind goes to some dark places at times.
 
I suspect that even without the Nazis you would end up with some bad shit being done in the name of eugenics given enough time.

The idea that immediately came to mind was someone trying to use "selective breeding" of criminals to create super soldiers. Maybe with added racism ("Lets breed black thugs with clever white women, under the guise of an IVF program in order to see if we can create people who are both strong /violent and clever").

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Okay, my mind goes to some dark places at times.
The historical German Nazis were basically just that, no? (I'm not saying that I believe they were an actual master race, just that they were able to pull off that marriage made in hell of a modern, technologically sophisticated culture and one of uncivilized, primitive, barbaric brute force.)
 
The historical German Nazis were basically just that, no? (I'm not saying that I believe they were an actual master race, just that they were able to pull off that marriage made in hell of a modern, technologically sophisticated culture and one of uncivilized, primitive, barbaric brute force.)
I was thinking more along the lines of someone taking racial stereotypes to the logical conclusion: "Black people are strong and thuggish, White people / Asians are clever, therefore if I selectively breed them I'll create a super race!"
 
... until the Nazis made everyone turn against it.
Not everyone, Sweden still had sterilisation laws on the statute books until the mid-1970s IIRC. The numbers carried out decreased over time but there was no revulsion and banning post-WWII.
 
Although the Nazi extremes didn't end eugenics of all sorts, they did help discredit it. It could be interesting (and possibly very horrifying)if Eugenics survived long enough more modern genetics to start to develop, when basic genetic checks can be done.
 
The US forcefully sterilized native Americans until the late 70s because they had an above average birth rate. If the US did shit like that in a world where the Nazis existed how bad do you guys think racial eugenics will get in a world without the Nazis.
 
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