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What other Tintin stories could be adapted to KR?
What other Tintin stories could be adapted to KR?
Le sceptre d'Ottokar will propably have similar themes, but with the Boduriens as Syndies.What other Tintin stories could be adapted to KR?
What about the one where he goes to America? Or the where he meets Captain Haddock?Le sceptre d'Ottokar will propably have similar themes, but with the Boduriens as Syndies.
Tintin en Amerique was drawn in 1931, so i don't think there will be any changes there. The first comics were very steriotypical, and i can't see that change, maybe he will constantly refer to Al Capone's gangsters as le syndicate as a little personal shot. Le crabbe au pince d'or, the album that introduces us to Haddock was made in 1940, 1941. The story plays mostly in French North Africa and is pretty a political. So i actualy think there wouldn't change that much. However it depends on lore. What i described happened if Germany wins the zweiter Weltkrieg. But if according to the syndicalist victory timeline ATL Belgium will be occupied by that moment, then Herge wouldn't be allowed to work, certainly not if he brought out the very first album, Im Land der Syndicalisten.What about the one where he goes to America? Or the where he meets Captain Haddock?
I mean that does seem abit assholish of the state and special treatmenty of the church ("Alright folks we'll give you a bone but only if you possibly bend your theolgy to work with our Ideolgy") but I guess that's what to be expected, certainly alot better than how it could turn out.
Yeah...by the time the Iberians are off there victory drug, there would be alot of Dead priests...
Yeah thats sounds alot like something the italians would have alright.
Havent read it but Now I will...
Okay so more like an officall requirement which has loopholes, that works very well.
Not sure this could work exactly, for reasons I mention below:
I doubt there'd be a way the Church could have zero political clout because at the end of the day they have opinions on the issues, and as long as their allowed to say what they think about said issues, a certain amount of voters will take said opinions into account when there casting there ballot. As such certain politicans will want to tap into these people weather out of a genuine feelings or simple vote getting.
Yeah that would work very well as it plays into what im going for with the Syndie's (ie not over the top Communist totalist hellhole stuff but more subtle corruption and aimed attacks while keeping a smiley face) and it could vary from place to place.
that would be fun to see and I think that would work very well.
and apparently Theg agrees, isnt internet Brainstorming grand
Yeah, thats my impression of most your world, where the Syndicalists took the high road (within reason) most of the time,when it would of been so much easier for them to go low...Im guessing that if they ever did get a machine to travel between universes and saw mine, theyd be rattled and then shake there heads at there counterparts for taking short cuts and there corruption and using it as a lesson for back home.Oh, for sure. What I was trying to go with there was something that felt realistic for the situation and the era/stage of the country's development, but was still better than it could have gone.
Yeah,It take a long time for the wounds to heal in Iberia given how Nasty literally everyone would of been... Hopefully by the modern day the Iberians have owned up to at least some of there atrocities and are working on a Truth and Reconciliation comisson.Unfortunately it's a real likelihood... I can see things changing later, under different leaders, but during the civil war and the immediate aftermath, things could get nasty.
Yeah, dont want to get yourselves stupidly overthrown...A combination of the popular feeling on the ground and leadership recognising 'Let's be realistic about this...'
Oh I bet I will,I found Don Camillio last summer and I liked it practically immediately both for the expoloration of the period, the Innate Christianity in it, and the comedyThink you'd enjoy it.
Pretty much, yeah.
Im sure that works on a national level but Im not so sure on a Local level, considering that Syndicalism does give a lot of autonumy to the local communitties, if the people want something like say a Christian bible at the court house, Im fairly sure they can have it.Oh, it wouldn't be zero. But thanks to a combination of loss of some resources, changes, the shakeup of the entire political landscape and radical changes to how politics works, as well as government working towards this end, definitely a sharply reduced political clout.
The America-book wont change much. To some degree it was propaganda like "land of the Soviets", just t hat in this case, american capitalism was the target.What about the one where he goes to America? Or the where he meets Captain Haddock?
You called?Father Brown is that you?
GoT is somewhat a deconstructing of tolkienesque High Fantasy. The question is, will such High Fantasy become a genre. Yes, Tolkien wriite in KR, but success would depend on several factors. If America goes and Britain stays syndie, I think High Fantasy will not be a thing there. If Germany wins WKII and stays dominant on the world stage, it would propably developeDo you think Game of Thrones would be any different in KR?
GoT is somewhat a deconstructing of tolkienesque High Fantasy. The question is, will such High Fantasy become a genre. Yes, Tolkien wriite in KR, but success would depend on several factors. If America goes and Britain stays syndie, I think High Fantasy will not be a thing there. If Germany wins WKII and stays dominant on the world stage, it would propably develope
its own brand of High Fantasy, which wouldn´t needed to be deconstructed the GoT-way, because its already pretty dark. I mean in the Song of the Niebelungs the hero get murdered in the middle of the story and at the end everybody dies in a massacre.
‘Swords and Gears: A Study of Fantasy Literature and its evolution within the Internationale’When it comes to popular fiction within the Internationale in general - and in North America and Britain in particular- speculative fiction has always enjoyed a strong position. Science-fiction, in particular that of a more optimistic type showing better futures made possible by scientific advancements and the brotherhood of humanity, has themes that strongly resonate within the Syndicalist world. As to horror, it is of course a universal genre that works wherever in the world one is.
by Doctor Judith Fairfax, Magdalen College
Collected in the book Essays on Popular Fiction since the Revolutions (New York, 2011)
Fantasy, however, was something that some thought initially might not fit in with the new trends as seen in Syndicalist writing. While this might seem an unusual opinion - especially given the popularity of superhero works such as Superman and Wonder Woman, both of which effectively brought fantastical and mythological tropes into play for the modern age - there was a reason for this, and it lies in the nature of fantasy as a genre. When we look at early pioneers of fantasy, for example pre-Civil War Howard, Tolkien or Lewis, we note the more primitive eras and aesthetics at play, and we in certain works we note the assumption of monarchy as a natural order, at least from the point of view of the protagonists. This, of course, would be antithetical to a dedicated Syndicalist, and would be unpopular to say the least.
This fact, and the corresponding fact that a writer would begin from a point of view of monarchy as a system with severe flaws, ultimately is why fantasy writing developed as it did among Internationale writers: namely, with the establishment of sword-and-sorcery stories as the dominant form of fantasy. Primarily focused as this genre is on individual characters and their exploits rather than wider scope politics, such stories remain universal in their appeal: while one might not enjoy a story about the return of a perfect, ‘rightful’ king to claim an ancient throne and automatically set things right, the reader can enjoy an imperfect barbarian swordsman or swordswoman fighting to stay alive in a world that, while decidedly imperfect, is recognised as such and is all he or she knows.
Moreover, as time went on, the focus on character-driven works would lead to the gradual growth of more subversive protagonists, shown rebelling against or resisting corrupt institutions. This process had begun with pre-Civil War Conan the Barbarian stories, which had as a central theme the decay and corruption of once-powerful empires and kingdoms prior to their eventual conquest. It would be gradually magnified in later stories, stories in which corrupt nobles and priests would become ever-more prominent as Conan’s enemies. This trend would be seen in later works in the genre: Clark Ashton Smith’s Hyperborean stories of the master-thief Satampra Zeiros featured his targeting corrupt priests and nobility for his thefts, as seen in particular in ‘The Theft of the Thirty-Nine Girdles’ which details the corruption of the setting’s priesthood; Anne Donovan’s Tales of Tiana feature the titular swordswoman protecting the poor of her world from rapacious nobles and often taking it upon herself to teach said nobles ‘lessons’ ranging from deadly, as in 1952’s ‘The Serpent Rider’ to merely embarrassing, such as the fate of Lady Hayla in ‘The Crimson Moon Waxes’ of the following year...
...by contrast, there has only been one truly stand-out example of ‘heroic fantasy’ as some have termed it in the Internationale. This is, of course, the Renewal Cycle by Ursula LeGuin. It has been long considered a ‘Syndicalist rebuttal’ to the imitators of Tolkien who were popular in Australasia and Russia during the 1970s. Focused as it is around the wizard Hawke and the shieldmaiden Kyra’s resistance to Valtor, an evil man armed with mythical weapons and claiming he is the prophesied king of the land of Tenar, and ending with a peasant rebellion that puts and end to the age of kings, one can see why...
I'd expect Red fantasy literature to be rooted in concepts like Mistborn: The Final Empire. Heist novel about ragtag lower-class heroes mounting a rebellion against a corrupt and totalitarian regime.
What's Australasia like in Greater East Asia?Broadly speaking...
That’s it broadly
- The Internationale is the single most powerful bloc on the planet. It dominates the Americas, Europe (West, Central, North and East), large chunks of Africa ( North Africa, former National French West Africa, the former Mittelafrikan states, and the new South Africa after the old Russian-backed regime went down), and the Middle East, Bharat runs India and brought Syndicalism to Myanmar and through Bharat the Internationale is reaching out to former Russian Central Asia. Basically, after Russia went down, they got to work on trying to bring its old Sphere of Influence in.
- In order, the leading nations of the Internationale are: The Commonwealth of America; the Union of Britain; The Commune of France; Bharat; and increasingly the reunited Federal People’s Republic of Germany.
- Russia is officially unaligned but both the Internationale and East Asia have been helping them back on their feet via development aid after Voynism collapsed. They’re democratic, are gradually turning into a welfare state, have reduced their military sharply, etc.
- The only non-Internationale major power is Greater East Asia: Japan; China; Transamur; the Philippines; Vietnam; Laos; Thailand; Malaya; Sarawak; Indonesia; and Australasia. They also have influence in Africa that they’re working on building. They’re more conservative than the Internationale, but they’ve a solid range of corporate regulations, worker-Protection laws and welfare state stuff, introduced to ‘kill Syndicalist sentiment with kindness’ back in the 60s.
- Used to be run by Japan, but increasingly being run by a re-united China, though Indonesia has also been taking a greater leadership role.
- In a state of ‘distantly cordial detente’ with the Internationale, though they compete for influence in Africa, and during the Cold War they had an understanding that they’d team up if Russia attacked either.
- There hasn’t been any war on terror analogue yet, but there have been actions against rogue regimes in places - mostly during the 90s. The biggest was the South African War in 1994, when the Internationale brought down the old Russian-backed racist regime.
Space tech is also more ahead: there’s been a pair of growing Lunar bases (one from each bloc) since the 80s, with more being planned after Helium 3 was confirmed, and the Internationale wants to go to Mars.
Interesting over on the Timeline 191 pop-culture thread we discussed about H.P Lovecraft and Robert Howard taking the place of Tolkien and CS Lewis in literary prominence. Only with Lovecraft's work being influenced by his time fighting in the trenches of the first Great War and then seeing the fallout of the Superbombs in the Second Great War.‘Swords and Gears: A Study of Fantasy Literature and its evolution within the Internationale’When it comes to popular fiction within the Internationale in general - and in North America and Britain in particular- speculative fiction has always enjoyed a strong position. Science-fiction, in particular that of a more optimistic type showing better futures made possible by scientific advancements and the brotherhood of humanity, has themes that strongly resonate within the Syndicalist world. As to horror, it is of course a universal genre that works wherever in the world one is.
by Doctor Judith Fairfax, Magdalen College
Collected in the book Essays on Popular Fiction since the Revolutions (New York, 2011)
Fantasy, however, was something that some thought initially might not fit in with the new trends as seen in Syndicalist writing. While this might seem an unusual opinion - especially given the popularity of superhero works such as Superman and Wonder Woman, both of which effectively brought fantastical and mythological tropes into play for the modern age - there was a reason for this, and it lies in the nature of fantasy as a genre. When we look at early pioneers of fantasy, for example pre-Civil War Howard, Tolkien or Lewis, we note the more primitive eras and aesthetics at play, and we in certain works we note the assumption of monarchy as a natural order, at least from the point of view of the protagonists. This, of course, would be antithetical to a dedicated Syndicalist, and would be unpopular to say the least.
This fact, and the corresponding fact that a writer would begin from a point of view of monarchy as a system with severe flaws, ultimately is why fantasy writing developed as it did among Internationale writers: namely, with the establishment of sword-and-sorcery stories as the dominant form of fantasy. Primarily focused as this genre is on individual characters and their exploits rather than wider scope politics, such stories remain universal in their appeal: while one might not enjoy a story about the return of a perfect, ‘rightful’ king to claim an ancient throne and automatically set things right, the reader can enjoy an imperfect barbarian swordsman or swordswoman fighting to stay alive in a world that, while decidedly imperfect, is recognised as such and is all he or she knows.
Moreover, as time went on, the focus on character-driven works would lead to the gradual growth of more subversive protagonists, shown rebelling against or resisting corrupt institutions. This process had begun with pre-Civil War Conan the Barbarian stories, which had as a central theme the decay and corruption of once-powerful empires and kingdoms prior to their eventual conquest. It would be gradually magnified in later stories, stories in which corrupt nobles and priests would become ever-more prominent as Conan’s enemies. This trend would be seen in later works in the genre: Clark Ashton Smith’s Hyperborean stories of the master-thief Satampra Zeiros featured his targeting corrupt priests and nobility for his thefts, as seen in particular in ‘The Theft of the Thirty-Nine Girdles’ which details the corruption of the setting’s priesthood; Anne Donovan’s Tales of Tiana feature the titular swordswoman protecting the poor of her world from rapacious nobles and often taking it upon herself to teach said nobles ‘lessons’ ranging from deadly, as in 1952’s ‘The Serpent Rider’ to merely embarrassing, such as the fate of Lady Hayla in ‘The Crimson Moon Waxes’ of the following year...
...by contrast, there has only been one truly stand-out example of ‘heroic fantasy’ as some have termed it in the Internationale. This is, of course, the Renewal Cycle by Ursula LeGuin. It has been long considered a ‘Syndicalist rebuttal’ to the imitators of Tolkien who were popular in Australasia and Russia during the 1970s. Focused as it is around the wizard Hawke and the shieldmaiden Kyra’s resistance to Valtor, an evil man armed with mythical weapons and claiming he is the prophesied king of the land of Tenar, and ending with a peasant rebellion that puts and end to the age of kings, one can see why...