Pop-culture of the Kaiserreich

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Herge was Belgian, not German, and canonically Flanders-Wallonia still sees the release of The Blue Lotus albeit a couple years later and likely with significant plot and setting differences due to the different setup in China. (Herge probably still met Zhang Chongren in KR, with the accompanying positive changes to his work and life as a result)
 
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Actor Emilio Estevez as President Josiah Bartlet in popular Commonwealth Broadcast Union show For the People, a political drama that ran between 1999 and 2006. A major theme of the show was the relationship between the President and his friend and Congressional Chairman Leo McGarry, and the manner in which their roles complemented one another and the need for both to work effectively together.* Other themes included the new opportunities and challenges offered by the end of the ColdWar and the position of the Internationale as the dominant military and economic power on Earth, the rise of rogue regimes, relations with East Asia and other such topical issues. The show was a major hit in and outside the Commonwealth, and struck a major chord with its depiction of the post-Cold War geopolitical landscape.

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Actress Angelina Voight** as Evelyn Hunt, the main character of the Mission: Impossible film series in Mission:Impossible II (2001). Derived from the television show of the 60s and 70s, the film series has largely abandoned the series’ espionage roots in favour of a high-octane, stunt-and-action-heavy approach, which has greatly eclipsed the original show. The character of Evelyn Hunt in particular, a strong, powerful super-spy who can hold her own in any fight and is openly bisexual (like her actress), proved extremely popular with audiences across much of the Internationale.

The film series would also be of interest from a human interest standpoint, as it was during the filming of the second film that Voight met and connected with Drew Barrymore, with the two marrying a year later. Their characters did the same on-screen in the third film, and Barrymore has retained her role throughout the series since.

Despite now being 44, Voight has not shown any sign of giving up the films or scaling back the many stunts involved. The upcoming Mission: Impossible - The People Will Rise in particular involves a stunt incorporating a motorcycle and a helicopter gunship that is done entirely practically...

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Political and economic historian Francis Fukuyama. Known for his controversial non-academic*** book The Evitable Victory, in which he argues that so much from being inevitable, Syndicalism’s triumph in the Cold War was due to the opponents it faced not being ‘true capitalists’. He points to Voynist Russian efforts towards self-sufficiency and efforts to ensure governmental command of the economy as hamstringing enterprise - manufacturing in particular - and Russia’s still-developing industrial base in comparison to the more dynamic worker-owned unions of the Internationale and the West’s more developed industry, as well as the pragmatic decision of East Asian governments to introduce worker-protection laws and welfare states, and argues that had the Internationale faced a theoretical, more ‘ruthless capitalist’ power with an equivalent industrial base, it could have found itself outproduced and ultimately lost any Cold War. He argues in particular that had the United States remained capitalist, or had the German Empire and the Reichspakt survived, the Internationale would have struggled to compete long-term. His work has been sharply criticised, as a number of other historians have noted that in order for a capitalist nation to compete with worker-owned unions without offering concessions to workers, it would have had to be so ruthless that Revolution would become inevitable.

Whatever the case, both he and his detractors agree that given the position of the Internationale as the dominant economic and manufacturing power on Earth, and the spread of Syndicalism or Social Democracy in the wake of Voynism’s collapse, unrestricted capitalism has gone the way of the dinosaur.
A/N: * The role of the President is quite restricted in the Commonwealth of America, executive orders in particular being sharply limited, and the Chairman is a role effectively like Prime Minister in that a lot of the actual work of government is done by him or her and they run the Cabinet. So there’s an actual head of state/head of government division.

** Hope you don’t mind my borrowing your idea for an alt name for an alt-Angelina Jolie @Worffan101 :)

*** By which I mean history for an audience of normal people rather than historians :)
 

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Actor Emilio Estevez as President Josiah Bartlet in popular Commonwealth Broadcast Union show For the People, a political drama that ran between 1999 and 2006. A major theme of the show was the relationship between the President and his friend and Congressional Chairman Leo McGarry, and the manner in which their roles complemented one another and the need for both to work effectively together.* Other themes included the new opportunities and challenges offered by the end of the ColdWar and the position of the Internationale as the dominant military and economic power on Earth, the rise of rogue regimes, relations with East Asia and other such topical issues. The show was a major hit in and outside the Commonwealth, and struck a major chord with its depiction of the post-Cold War geopolitical landscape.

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Actress Angelina Voight** as Evelyn Hunt, the main character of the Mission: Impossible film series in Mission:Impossible II (2001). Derived from the television show of the 60s and 70s, the film series has largely abandoned the series’ espionage roots in favour of a high-octane, stunt-and-action-heavy approach, which has greatly eclipsed the original show. The character of Evelyn Hunt in particular, a strong, powerful super-spy who can hold her own in any fight and is openly bisexual (like her actress), proved extremely popular with audiences across much of the Internationale.

The film series would also be of interest from a human interest standpoint, as it was during the filming of the second film that Voight met and connected with Drew Barrymore, with the two marrying a year later. Their characters did the same on-screen in the third film, and Barrymore has retained her role throughout the series since.

Despite now being 44, Voight has not shown any sign of giving up the films or scaling back the many stunts involved. The upcoming Mission: Impossible - The People Will Rise in particular involves a stunt incorporating a motorcycle and a helicopter gunship that is done entirely practically...

3543.jpg


Political and economic historian Francis Fukuyama. Known for his controversial non-academic*** book The Evitable Victory, in which he argues that so much from being inevitable, Syndicalism’s triumph in the Cold War was due to the opponents it faced not being ‘true capitalists’. He points to Voynist Russian efforts towards self-sufficiency and efforts to ensure governmental command of the economy as hamstringing enterprise - manufacturing in particular - and Russia’s still-developing industrial base in comparison to the more dynamic worker-owned unions of the Internationale and the West’s more developed industry, as well as the pragmatic decision of East Asian governments to introduce worker-protection laws and welfare states, and argues that had the Internationale faced a theoretical, more ‘ruthless capitalist’ power with an equivalent industrial base, it could have found itself outproduced and ultimately lost any Cold War. He argues in particular that had the United States remained capitalist, or had the German Empire and the Reichspakt survived, the Internationale would have struggled to compete long-term. His work has been sharply criticised, as a number of other historians have noted that in order for a capitalist nation to compete with worker-owned unions without offering concessions to workers, it would have had to be so ruthless that Revolution would become inevitable.

Whatever the case, both he and his detractors agree that given the position of the Internationale as the dominant economic and manufacturing power on Earth, and the spread of Syndicalism or Social Democracy in the wake of Voynism’s collapse, unrestricted capitalism has gone the way of the dinosaur.
A/N: * The role of the President is quite restricted in the Commonwealth of America, executive orders in particular being sharply limited, and the Chairman is a role effectively like Prime Minister in that a lot of the actual work of government is done by him or her and they run the Cabinet. So there’s an actual head of state/head of government division.

** Hope you don’t mind my borrowing your idea for an alt name for an alt-Angelina Jolie @Worffan101 :)

*** By which I mean history for an audience of normal people rather than historians :)
What's the geopolitics in this particular TL?
 
What's the geopolitics in this particular TL?

Broadly speaking...
  • The Internationale is the single most powerful bloc on the planet. It dominates the Americas, Europe (West, Central, North and East), large chunks of Africa ( North Africa, former National French West Africa, the former Mittelafrikan states, and the new South Africa after the old Russian-backed regime went down), and the Middle East, Bharat runs India and brought Syndicalism to Myanmar and through Bharat the Internationale is reaching out to former Russian Central Asia. Basically, after Russia went down, they got to work on trying to bring its old Sphere of Influence in.
  • In order, the leading nations of the Internationale are: The Commonwealth of America; the Union of Britain; The Commune of France; Bharat; and increasingly the reunited Federal People’s Republic of Germany.
  • Russia is officially unaligned but both the Internationale and East Asia have been helping them back on their feet via development aid after Voynism collapsed. They’re democratic, are gradually turning into a welfare state, have reduced their military sharply, etc.
  • The only non-Internationale major power is Greater East Asia: Japan; China; Transamur; the Philippines; Vietnam; Laos; Thailand; Malaya; Sarawak; Indonesia; and Australasia. They also have influence in Africa that they’re working on building. They’re more conservative than the Internationale, but they’ve a solid range of corporate regulations, worker-Protection laws and welfare state stuff, introduced to ‘kill Syndicalist sentiment with kindness’ back in the 60s.
  • Used to be run by Japan, but increasingly being run by a re-united China, though Indonesia has also been taking a greater leadership role.
  • In a state of ‘distantly cordial detente’ with the Internationale, though they compete for influence in Africa, and during the Cold War they had an understanding that they’d team up if Russia attacked either.
  • There hasn’t been any war on terror analogue yet, but there have been actions against rogue regimes in places - mostly during the 90s. The biggest was the South African War in 1994, when the Internationale brought down the old Russian-backed racist regime.
That’s it broadly :)

Space tech is also more ahead: there’s been a pair of growing Lunar bases (one from each bloc) since the 80s, with more being planned after Helium 3 was confirmed, and the Internationale wants to go to Mars.
 
@theg*ddam*hoi2fan did a nice Expy of Downton Abbey, now lets see if I can give it a go.. Ill think of a few more ideas later (particuraly how to solve Sybril's arc here)




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Lord Grantham the Patriarch of the first seasons who died at the end of the second season,a kind but old fashioned man with very little patience for what he considers "Modern Fads"Grantham tries to fulfill his duty of being a good father and providing for all of his tenants.His death in the first weltkrieg, is often seen as the symbolic death of old era Victorian Britain as it enters the new era that the war will bring...





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Mary and Mathew Crawley, Mary the eldest daughter of the Crawley family had a would she or won't she story with Mathew Crawly, her cousin who had injected into her life after the death of her cousins George and Patrick made him Heir (and eventually lord of the manor). They finally did tie the knot in 1921 and had a child together but tragedy soon followed as in the midst of the Revolution, Mathew was killed and Mary went into exile with her son to Canada. Embittered about the loss of her home and Husband and seeking to keep afloat she positions herself in Exile society in Canada and becomes heavily involved in the anti Syndicalist war efforts across the country. Her arc ends in tragedy as her son, George Crawley died in Operation Fortitude,the Entente’s Ill Fated gamble to retake Britain and she is left with only grief realizing she helped throw her son away for an impossible dream of Revenge...
Continuing this from Earlier:
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Gwen Dawson, played by Rose Leslie. Starting out as a servant at the abbey,Gwen always aspired for more even though both her Class status and gender were holding her back.During the war she became increasingly involved in organizing the workers at Downton and in the village at large, to agitate for there rights. At first tensions were alright,with the Family being more perplexed than agitated by what was happening (the Butler Mr. Carson was another matter though...) but when things kept getting bad with the economic collapse and hardship of the early 20s,Gwen became more radicalized, especially with Violet(who was more or less running the house at this point and was probably the most out of touch to the demands of her staff or the village) refusing to make concessions to the union, and even hiring a Private investigator to look into Gwen's past to see if there was dirt she could use. The tension burst in the revolution, with Gwen organizing the Staff and the people to form a TUC, and in one of the most defining moment of the show, very firmly informing Mary and Mathew (who had just arrived back home after serving in Egypt.) that the property was going to be distributed out to everyone and that there time was up. A fight ensued,after a shot was fired (weather by the Milita which Mathew had called up to protect the abbey or by the Workers is left ambiguous) and by the end the Abbey was burning and Mathew was left dying on the cobblestone steps. After this, Gwen continued to manage the Downton Union and county, managing Rations well and taking no gruff from anyone because she was a woman. However there were dark spots to, with the energetic Inquisition conducted by Sarah Bunting against "Monarchical Counterrevolutionaries" and Corruption which bit by bit wormed its way even to Downton,despite her best efforts.She is a big favorite among Feminist and Leftist Fans, who view her as a strong Woman, a emblem of what the Union of Britian was and could of been if the rot had not spread too quickly...
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Sybil Granthan with her Irish Chaueffer and future husband, Tom Branson In season one. Over the course of the first two seasons, Sybil and Tom grew close to eachother over discussing there politics and aspirations, as well as the more rebellious adventures Sybil with a defining moment coming when Tom comforted Sybil over the death of her Father at the battle of the Somme. Eventually, knowing that the family would disapprove of them getting together,they eloped to Dublin and got married.The story there did not stop, with Tom becoming involved in the Trade Unionist movment and Sybil raising her newborn daugther and worked as a secratary. They eventually had a cautious reaprroachment with the rest of the family, which gained them a Dowery, but Sybil could sense the tension in the air and when news of the Revolution came to her, she was not suprised at the results. The story picked up in the 30s, as Tom and Sybil participated in the General Strike of 1937 against the Collins goverment and later the early Irish Resistance to the new British imposed puppet government (Tom may of been a Socialist with Syndiclaist sympathies but at the end of the day he was a Irishman first and foremost). Despite the very dangerous profession they entered, there story ends on a more happy note than the others with Tom avoiding the massive purges which the Occupation forces enacted in the aftermath of O'Flaherty Affair and the attempted uprising in conjuction with Operation Fortitude and there daughter, Mary Branson perparing to go into adulthood even though there is still a bittersweet element with the foreshadowing for the eventual long Troubles and the Second War for independence
 
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Herge was Belgian, not German, and canonically Flanders-Wallonia still sees the release of The Blue Lotus albeit a couple years later and likely with significant plot and setting differences due to the different setup in China. (Herge probably still met Zhang Chongren in KR, with the accompanying positive changes to his work and life as a result)
Although Herge was Belgian, ITTL he will write with the german market in mind, because the french market is closed. And IOTL Herge created Tintin for a rightwing-catholic newspaper. So its likely, in KR he will see the "Boche" as the lesser evil to the Reds. So its likely, the early Tintin-comics contain a lot of pro-Reichspakt propaganda. If WKII starts, I see actually Tintin getting "drafted" in a way similiar to the american comic characters IOTL.
 
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After the start of WKII, comic character Tintin was offical drafted in the walllonian army, fighting side by side with the rest of the Reichspakt against the International. After the fall of the UOB in 1942 and the end of the warfare in Europe, Wallony demobilised, although Germany stayed at war with Japan. So it was also time for Tintin to go home.
 
Although Herge was Belgian, ITTL he will write with the german market in mind, because the french market is closed. And IOTL Herge created Tintin for a rightwing-catholic newspaper. So its likely, in KR he will see the "Boche" as the lesser evil to the Reds. So its likely, the early Tintin-comics contain a lot of pro-Reichspakt propaganda. If WKII starts, I see actually Tintin getting "drafted" in a way similiar to the american comic characters IOTL.
Le sceptre d'Ottokar wil be a very interesting album in KR. What would be the analogy here instead of the Anschluss IOTL? Romanian agression or the Belgrade pact?
 
Broadly speaking...
  • The Internationale is the single most powerful bloc on the planet. It dominates the Americas, Europe (West, Central, North and East), large chunks of Africa ( North Africa, former National French West Africa, the former Mittelafrikan states, and the new South Africa after the old Russian-backed regime went down), and the Middle East, Bharat runs India and brought Syndicalism to Myanmar and through Bharat the Internationale is reaching out to former Russian Central Asia. Basically, after Russia went down, they got to work on trying to bring its old Sphere of Influence in.
  • In order, the leading nations of the Internationale are: The Commonwealth of America; the Union of Britain; The Commune of France; Bharat; and increasingly the reunited Federal People’s Republic of Germany.
  • Russia is officially unaligned but both the Internationale and East Asia have been helping them back on their feet via development aid after Voynism collapsed. They’re democratic, are gradually turning into a welfare state, have reduced their military sharply, etc.
  • The only non-Internationale major power is Greater East Asia: Japan; China; Transamur; the Philippines; Vietnam; Laos; Thailand; Malaya; Sarawak; Indonesia; and Australasia. They also have influence in Africa that they’re working on building. They’re more conservative than the Internationale, but they’ve a solid range of corporate regulations, worker-Protection laws and welfare state stuff, introduced to ‘kill Syndicalist sentiment with kindness’ back in the 60s.
  • Used to be run by Japan, but increasingly being run by a re-united China, though Indonesia has also been taking a greater leadership role.
  • In a state of ‘distantly cordial detente’ with the Internationale, though they compete for influence in Africa, and during the Cold War they had an understanding that they’d team up if Russia attacked either.
  • There hasn’t been any war on terror analogue yet, but there have been actions against rogue regimes in places - mostly during the 90s. The biggest was the South African War in 1994, when the Internationale brought down the old Russian-backed racist regime.
That’s it broadly :)

Space tech is also more ahead: there’s been a pair of growing Lunar bases (one from each bloc) since the 80s, with more being planned after Helium 3 was confirmed, and the Internationale wants to go to Mars.
I always find it ironic that for a setting literally called Kaiserreich a lot of the future scenarios have it getting taken over by Syndies by the present day. I mean come it's supposed to literally be about a surviving Imperial Germany.
 
I always find it ironic that for a setting literally called Kaiserreich a lot of the future scenarios have it getting taken over by Syndies by the present day. I mean come it's supposed to literally be about a surviving Imperial Germany.
Don't know what you mean by that, from what I can see going around stories about post WK2 the distribution seems fairly even, some of them are Syndicalist victories, some are where Imperial Germany triumphs and others involve the Russian State under Savinkov emerging as one of the two powers in a future cold war, hell, a survey showed that most people's head canon was about Imperial Germany getting into a cold war with either the Entente or the Russian State.
 
Any ideas for sitcoms?

In my TL, I can see alt-Fawlty Towers being a thing, only instead of being a snob Basil is constantly trying to emphasise how in touch with the working man he is, and one episode might involve him scheming to be elected Chairman of the Union of Hoteliers and Hospitality Workers...

Maybe combine that with the OTL ‘Hotel Inspectors’ episode XD
 
In my TL, I can see alt-Fawlty Towers being a thing, only instead of being a snob Basil is constantly trying to emphasise how in touch with the working man he is, and one episode might involve him scheming to be elected Chairman of the Union of Hoteliers and Hospitality Workers...

Maybe combine that with the OTL ‘Hotel Inspectors’ episode XD
What about a Kaiserreich "Yes, Minister"? If you don't know, its basically a British comedy set around the 80s satirizing British political life, from the attitude of their administrators, their government and their relationship with the EU. Prime Minister Thatcher was also a noted fan of the show, and actually wrote some fanfiction that got turned into a script for the show.
 
What about a Kaiserreich "Yes, Minister"? If you don't know, its basically a British comedy set around the 80s satirizing British political life, from the attitude of their administrators, their government and their relationship with the EU. Prime Minister Thatcher was also a noted fan of the show, and actually wrote some fanfiction that got turned into a script for the show.

@President Earl Warren wrote one for this thread a couple of pages back.
 
@President Earl Warren wrote one for this thread a couple of pages back.
Yeah, but I'm wondering how a Syndicalist Yes Minister would be like, perhaps one point of satire in it is that there are still a few Brits who hold an overly rose tinted view of pre Syndicalist Britain, pointing to them being one of the great powers back then, altogether ignoring the racism, classism and poverty that dominated that particular era.

Perhaps something like, "Bloody hell mate, so long as you weren't a woman, non-white or poor, things were a lot better back then."
 
Yeah, but I'm wondering how a Syndicalist Yes Minister would be like, perhaps one point of satire in it is that there are still a few Brits who hold an overly rose tinted view of pre Syndicalist Britain, pointing to them being one of the great powers back then, altogether ignoring the racism, classism and poverty that dominated that particular era.

Perhaps something like, "Bloody hell mate, so long as you weren't a woman, non-white or poor, things were a lot better back then."

I’m thinking of a Yes Minister for my TL here...something along those lines sounds clever :D
 
pointing to them being one of the great powers back then, altogether ignoring the racism, classism and poverty that dominated that particular era.

Perhaps something like, "Bloody hell mate, so long as you weren't a woman, non-white or poor, things were a lot better back then."
I’m thinking of a Yes Minister for my TL here...something along those lines sounds clever :D

Interestingly that was actually used in one episode of my version of the show, the people who made the show were actually Reformist Syndicalists (you had to be a Syndie to work at BBU, even if it was abit less tight on political policing than the other Unions) and strongly disliked some of the more sentimental noises that the capitalist protestors and intellectuals were making about the era.
 
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I always find it ironic that for a setting literally called Kaiserreich a lot of the future scenarios have it getting taken over by Syndies by the present day. I mean come it's supposed to literally be about a surviving Imperial Germany.

While there isn't exactly one canon ending (because its up to each player), and the devs have put forward 2 themselves in the form of Krasnacht and Kalterkrieg. However, I do agree with you and I think people would agree more often since kalterkrieg has far more progress than krasnacht.
 
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