On that note on the end, in your view do you see France doing the same thing to their Jews in Metro France, North Africa and occupied territories, as well as toward Protestants, political opponents, and other "undesirables"?
Oh, like Roma, Freemasons, Bonapartists, Legitamists, Spanish exiles, mixed Jewish-Christian families, disabled and mentally ill, etc. So a plethora of potential groups that'd face persecution. On the latter, I could see Alexis Carrel leading a euthanasia program like he did IOTL for the Vichy Regime. As Marlowski and I have thought, they'd probably more prefer "extermination through labor" than outright massacring them at first once the Second Great War gets into gear. Pogroms could happen to a certain extent. The Actionist regime will be making them "useful" until they're no more in various industries. Mentioned a few more classes of political opponents in this one I realized. By the way, if Darquier has a place ITTL, it'll be the same in overseeing the roundup, deportation, and murder of the Action Francaise's "undesirables".
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I have an idea for an in-universe french alternate history novel written in the 80s where a clique of ultra-nationalists somehow manage seize control of France during the chaos of the immediate aftermath of the SGW. They basically turn France into TNO Omsk in there irrational and completely fucking insane quest to finally have their revenge against Germany. Clearly fourth time's the charm.
It will be commentating on how ultimately self-destructive revanchism was for France and will be written as a massive fuck you too a neo-fascist party that would be operating at the time.
If anyone wants to use this concept go right ahead.
It will be commentating on how ultimately self-destructive revanchism was for France and will be written as a massive fuck you too a neo-fascist party that would be operating at the time.
If anyone wants to use this concept go right ahead.
I would have to agree. They'd probably go easy on the monarchists and save the worst of the work for the most 'anti-Catholic' groups - Roma, Freemasons and the Jews.
As for the eugenics program? Yeah, I can see that happening, but it would have to be in secret, though. In OTL, it didn't take long for the German public to determine what was happening to their relatives under the 'care' of the government's doctors.
Agree as well. Realizing it, this is more of a topic of discussion for Filling the Gaps.
I mean, crime and romanticizing criminals is as old as crime so something resembling the book and movie would probably exist in the abstract.
For reference, here's Joshua ben Ari's post on French Jewry from Filling the Gaps and from Marlowski from the Photos thread.
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Would could be the more notable of these rants by a War and Remembrance Hit... I mean Featherston.
Since the official story ended in 1945, Featherston’s reputation outside of North America could go either way.
This is why I’ve tried to include extra ideas and possibly rewrite some of the things that Dr. Turtledove chose, regardless of accuracy, in order to make Featherston well-known throughout the world.
Some examples:
I like the idea of both German and U.S. propaganda using what happened to the Black population in the CSA as a rally cry for the Black Africans to rise up against Britain and their allies.
Another is having the CSA invade the USA about a month and a half earlier in 1941, making them the chief instigator of the Second Great War.
There's a head-canon story I've yet to write that describes an event where the USA threatens to superbomb South Africa for its attempt to pass apartheid laws during the late 1940's. (It's more of an empty threat, but the South Africans don't know that.)
The events of Namibia are brought up and used against the Germans as "proof" that they are incapable/unwilling of protecting their Black colonial subjects.
This causes a lot of civil unrest in Mittelafrika and is considered a diplomatic embarrassment against the Imperial German government and its citizens back home.
How plausible all of this can happen is up for debate, but I'd like to imagine it that it does, regardless.
My take on it? I'd imagine there'd be criticism of the UK and France for maintaining their support of Featherston even after finding out about the Population Reduction, and a general reevaluation of attitudes towards blacks by the "civilized" peoples of the world because (if for no other reason) they would not want to be compared to "Ignorant, uncouth, hillbilly Confederates." The CSA becomes the "problem child" in the historical memory of the Anglo-French Sphere, the one who put on the affectations of "civilized" while perpetuating terrible barbarities.
Worse still, it gives the Imperialist histories of the UK and France a deflection, as anyone who brings up any crimes against colonial populations committed by them, they can just point at the CSA and say "at least we weren't as bad as them!"
sort of in the manner that the aftermath of the Holocaust made "Antisemitic" a damning label in the west as folks didn't want to be compared to the Nazis.
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I would argue that the British would have some stake in the events going on in North America, as the 1GW Canadian front and its subsequent loss denied the UK not only one of their major Colonial/Commonwealth assets, but also manpower and resources vitally needed in Europe in both wars. there's also the extended British presence in South America: their supply convoys from Argentina and their vital necessity to keeping the UK in both of the wars are commented on several times by the Naval characters in the series. Featherston also put pressure on Churchill to support the Canadian rebels in "Drive to the East" to alleviate some pressure on his own forces by drawing US assets away.
we learn that the UK knows of the population reductions and is, to be very tame, off-put by them, but they need the CSA in the war as much as the CSA needs them, so they keep quiet about it. This could come back to bite them socially in the wake of the war as continued British weakening on the world stage no doubt rears its head in Africa.
Yeah, but even then, their concerns are going to be the mostly white citizens of what used to be Canada. As America-British relations soften somewhat in the face of an overly aggressive Japan post-SGW, I think that would dominate the discussions between the two powers, not the Population Reduction.
It would be the equivalent of both TTL and OTL where the Armenian Genocide was taking place, but the Central Powers either took no notice or were very mute about it.
A boxart to the 2000 video game Crimson Skies, which was an arcade simulator aerial combat game which was set in an alternate timeline where the First Great War had dragged on for another year, which would result in weakening both the USA and CSA as well as Jake Featherston dying in 1918 on the Maryland Front, thus causing instability in both countries. The two nations would then collapse when the Great Depression came into full swing in the early 1930s, and sky travel become the dominant form of transportation. As a result of this, sky pirates would thrive in this new world, and by 1937, North America would become a hotbed of war with varying sky pirate gangs and air militias. The first game would be released for PC in 2000 which was followed two years later by a Playbox exclusive would be released titled Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.
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What would be the nations of this North America?
A boxart to the 2000 video game Crimson Skies, which was an arcade simulator aerial combat game which was set in an alternate timeline where the First Great War had dragged on for another year, which would result in weakening both the USA and CSA as well as Jake Featherston dying in 1918 on the Maryland Front, thus causing instability in both countries. The two nations would then collapse when the Great Depression came into full swing in the early 1930s, and sky travel become the dominant form of transportation. As a result of this, sky pirates would thrive in this new world, and by 1937, North America would become a hotbed of war with varying sky pirate gangs and air militias. The first game would be released for PC in 2000 which was followed two years later by a Playbox exclusive would be released titled Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.
Probably the same as our timeline's game with some alterations here and there:
