Pop-culture in TL-191

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"The Troubles of Truubles" the Ship is almost overrun by seemingly innocuous Fuzzy creatures who breed uncontrollably.
"The Duality of Man" The Captain is split into two men, one who is rash and impulsive and the other who is so timid he cannot command the ship.
"the Scales of Fear" Introducing the Romunian race, a study on both psychological warfare as the Romunian stealth fields make them akin to submarines in space, and on the character of soldiers vs. their ideologies they fight for.
"On the Fields of Forever" the Bridge Crew is teleported back in time to 1862, and has a chance to prevent the Union's Loss at the Battle of Camp Hill, but is struck by the moral question of if they have the right to change history.
"The Mirror Image" the Crew confront sinister versions of themselves from a universe where the CSA won the Second Great War and imposed Freedomism on the world.
"End of Days" a study on the long-term ramifications of Superbombs and their effects as a planet-killer runs wild.
"Patterns of Force" One of the most famous episodes of the series, the Crew discovers a planet overrun by a neo-Freedom Party government, down to the uniforms, flags and emblems, and must discover what has occurred.
TL-191 Patterns of Force would probably be faaaaar less kind to the John Gill character, likely making him either a striaght up Freedomite or someone tortured into giving up info on the CSA and Freedom Party to the Ekos
I want to imagine 191 Romulans being called Remans, because the timeline is just that goofy sometimes.

Some other 191 Trek episodes
To Catch The Conscience - a actor aboard the Enterprise my be a wanted war criminal and only the captain can help identify them. Inspired by the continued hunt and capturing of Confederate War Criminals
The Squire of Gothos - An advanced alien with a taste of earth military history has trapped the ship and wishes to see the crew fight. A very similar episode to otl but Trelane having a distinctly more Prussian or early colonial American flare to them
The Omega Mercy - Starfleet and the Klingons compete to arm and influence a primitive alien world. A mash-up of Errand of Mercy and Omega glory, and first appearance of the very Japanese inspired Klingons.
A Final Battlefield - Two aliens for whom inter-racial hatred has destroyed their species. The allegory is even more blatant here then olt
 

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I could imagine a Khan Noonien Singh type character in tl191 being English, French or Russian from a world where the eugenic supermen came to power in the Entente countries...
 
I could imagine a Khan Noonien Singh type character in tl191 being English, French or Russian from a world where the eugenic supermen came to power in the Entente countries...
That or a straight up African. Britain leaving India was relatively recent when OTL Star Trek aired, so a Sub-Saharan Superhuman Empire might be the route they go.
 
The issue with that is tracing what heroes would be like in TL-191. Superman is mentioned in the books but Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, and the others are a too difficult to pin down.
A few of DC's older heroes like Batman, the original Flash and Green Lanterns, Hawkman Justice Society of America, etc all came out in a relatively short window of time, so it's possible for them to be well established in the 191-verse before the 2nd Great War, and with their more urban crimefighting focus, probably very similar to otl. Marvel suffers from a more fragmented beginning, with many of its more popular heroes not being created till during or long after the WW2. The first publication of Captain America would barely slip in a month or so before the start of the Second Great War. It's possible a 191 Marvel is likely still going to Timely Comics and focus on its earlier catalogue of works like The Human Torch, Namor and maybe Captain America (Colonel Union perhaps?)
 
A few of DC's older heroes like Batman, the original Flash and Green Lanterns, Hawkman Justice Society of America, etc all came out in a relatively short window of time, so it's possible for them to be well established in the 191-verse before the 2nd Great War, and with their more urban crimefighting focus, probably very similar to otl. Marvel suffers from a more fragmented beginning, with many of its more popular heroes not being created till during or long after the WW2. The first publication of Captain America would barely slip in a month or so before the start of the Second Great War. It's possible a 191 Marvel is likely still going to Timely Comics and focus on its earlier catalogue of works like The Human Torch, Namor and maybe Captain America (Colonel Union perhaps?)
For Captain America I've seen people try to account for "America" being divided and The US having a more socialistic culture with him being Sergeant Liberty or Colonel Columbia.
 
I wrote a post on the 'Photos of Featherston's Confederacy' in which I made the impression that propaganda comics in TL-191 were a lot more visceral and liberal in their depictions of war, using my version of Captain America as an example.
IIRC Clarence Potter mused on CSA Superhero "Ultraman" in contrast to "Superman" and mentioned that the CSA hero had wrecked NYC, Philly and other US cities.
 
I’m wondering, how will hearts of iron mods develop TTL? Thinking of doing a write up on a alt-TNO set in tl191 soon on this thread or the photos thread
 
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I think that the ultimately the superhero genre would evolve differently in the US in TTL.

US comics would no doubt develop assorted heroes early on, some of whom might be analogous to OTL characters. Yet like everything else, the comics medium would be shaped by a very different culture, which itself is shaped by a very different national US experience:

-The destructiveness of two Great Wars waged across North America, the second of which begins with a sneak Confederate attack.

-The horrors perpetrated by the Featherston regime, including the Destruction.

-The use of nuclear weapons in both North America and Europe at the end of the SGW.

I feel that the superhero genre, as it develops postwar in the US, would be less optimistic than in our world. Hypothetically, the lack of an analogue to the Comics Code Authority - along with a more openly left-wing US culture, might open the door for more social commentary. For an idea of the resulting movie landscape, you might have more movies, in the US, at least, like Joker or Chronicle or Brightburn, instead of anything like our world’s MCU. For that matter, this world might not go in the overall general direction of larger and larger franchises as occurred in OTL.
 
Ok so I've drawn up a basic idea for a hypothetical New Order mod using TL 191 as a basis using Fill in the Gaps and the HOI4 mod

  • PoD ties into the socialists reforms in the US leading to political chaos
  • CSA somehow develops the Superbomb early
  • North America fragmented into warlordism after the CSA wins
  • Japan is defeated by the Entente after they backstab them and CSA is somehow involved(maybe Japan attacks the CSA somehow)
  • Germany wins the western front and defeats France, but conventionally. They are pushed to signing a peace with honor with Britain and Russia however, somehow
  • In Germany, the Yockeys expy is led by the Strasser brothers(Just so I can use Strasserism!)
  • Russia is to some extent the Imperial Japan expy, controlling satellites in Central and East Asia, and the Great Asian war is China against Russia, not Japan.
  • Iberia is mostly unchanged since Spanish civil war still happens, but between Monarchists and Falangists, so maybe one of the rebels are monarchists when the collapse happens
  • Mexico at one point falls into political chaos tied to the events of the mod, CSA intervenes and sets up alt-Burgundy
  • The omnicidal mastermind in alt-Burgundy is someone who was a really ultra racist from the real world or an OTL Klansman. I don't really see Koenig or Plinkard as a suitable Himmler expy(yeah I'm not going full parallelism here, especially since a lot of the Freedom party figures were born in the 1880s and would be too old for a mod set in 1960s)
  • Not sure who are the analogues for the Confederate civil war, but I'm thinking of George Wallace be the reformer, echoing his OTL "redemption" or mellowing out. Maybe Goldman will be the status quo candiate and Nathan Bedford Forrest III lead the militarists as their figurehead, with Lemay as the power behind them. Heydrich expy will be someone that did not feature in the books(Plinkard is too old to be the heydrich expy, but it could maybe work given that it would be 1-2 years before armageddon).
 
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IIRC Clarence Potter mused on CSA Superhero "Ultraman" in contrast to "Superman" and mentioned that the CSA hero had wrecked NYC, Philly and other US cities.
you're probably thinking of Hyperman--Ultraman is a DC character IOTL, a supervillain counterpart to Supes from another universe with the basic "inverted morality" premise (he leads the Crime Syndicate of Amerika--yes, actually spelled with a K--against a heroic Lex Luthor and the Justice Underground. that's the ultra-simplified version of it, at least.)
 
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US Military vehicles mocked up as Confederate Barrels "Invade" Sandusky in the film "Blackbeard" (1970)
The Film was middling at the box office, and receives criticism for its reliance on hindsight, as there are at times ham-fisted representations of the CSA's belief that they have cowed the US with the operation, while the US characters act as though the CSA was allowed to "stick its neck out" and were planning to "cut the head off" all along in the CSA's subsequent Operation Coalscuttle.
On the other hand, the movie received some praise for its more realistic depiction of the war, in particular taking time to give attention to the suffering of the civilian population.

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Confederate "Mark 3" Barrels made from US Mk 9 light barrels, as seen in "Pittsburgh" (1973)


By Contrast, the 1973 Drama "Pittsburgh" was a smash hit at the box office, albeit one that also held controversy for its presentation of the suffering of Confederate troops in the surrounded city. The film was one of many films criticized in the 21st century for upholding the "Innocent Johnny" mythology popularized by Confederate veterans, where the crimes of the regime were placed at the feet of Featherston, his inner circle and the Freedom Party Guards rather than blamed on the average Confederate soldier and citizen.
 
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