Pop-culture in TL-191
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Probably super different and likely have a different plot than IOTL
Pilot Ron "Maverick" Jeremy is a religious conservative and natural pilot who doesn't seem to take his A-18 flying seriously. He is lucky in shooting down three Me-1455 "Drache" fighters while his wingman, a rising aviator and natural leader, has a near-death experience and resigns. LCDR Jeremy and his co-pilot and former pastor Larry 'Goose' Flynt are sent to the Naval Aviator Fighter Weapons Program, colloquially known as 'Top Gun', out of Miami, Florida. Conflict arises with the various members of the two dozen aviators selected, resolved in various ways.
In a final exercise a surprise overflight by a Fw 705 'Riesen' double-hull ECW and listening platform guarded by six of the new Dornier-Heinkel 555 'Zipbat' fighter advanced prototypes, featuring crude stealth design with emphasis on heat reduction and special light-bending surface coating. Goose is killed as Maverick figures out the clouds distort the aircraft well enough to target them, what he doesn't know is one of the prototypes is in fact a 560 variant with air-to-air 'Lancer' missiles able to be fored by thought alone and capable of mach 4. The opposing pilot burns through his fuel as his last remaining missile proves useless when Maverick pulls a sudden braking action in mid-air and finishes the 560 with 20mm cannons just off the coast of Turkey Shoot Nuclear Power facility. German representatives note the 'rogue pilots' did not represent the actions of Germany itself and apologize while seething that the Americans now have a practical example of the technology for review.
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The Wasteland Series is probably the most mainstream counterfactual in the world. It basically imagines if that brief period of post-war tension mixed with triumph over the entente just never ended, leading to a world that has become very different. Of course, the games are set long after the superbomb apocalypse, with the world before being a distant memory, but the pre-war world is fascinating itself.
In the US, we don't get much lore on it, but it's divided into multiple commonwealths in an attempt to break down national ties in the conquered Utah, Confederacy, and Canada while also engaging in general reorganization to make North America as a whole into a united state. These commonwealths serve to increase the authoritarian nature of the US, allowing the federal government to supersede state authority. This system also leads to corruption as some commonwealths are definitely far better regarded than others, while the commonwealths in the ex Confederate, Canadian, and Mormon nations are almost always governed by outsiders whom impose harsher rules. As a result, the United States of the Wasteland world is far more draconian AND far more unstable than in our world.
In the rest of the world, we don't get much beyond vague hints. Brazil is mentioned to be under integralists and the Tsar's Russia undergoes rises and falls. In Europe, the old American ally of Germany federates into Mitteleuropa, but also finds the United States distancing itself from it due to it's foreign policy being based around extreme anti-colonialism, as well as the Germans re-adopting Bismarckian policy on a global stage. At the same time, the US finds itself growing closer to Russia, leading to it becoming stronger, mainly as the US continues to fear Japanese expansion. While it's never made clear if Japan moderated or even saw the progressive faction take power as in our timeline, what is clear is that the Japanese are the main boogeyman to US plans in the pacific.
Eventually, the resource wars would begin. It should be mentioned that as culture stopped in this world, so did tech. Well, tech did advance, it's just that it advanced in a completely different way. This tech looks like the best stuff from 1950s magazines, but it also consumes a lot of Oil. This turns out bad when the world starts to run out. One of the major background wars that is mentioned is the Russo-Turkish war. From what can be inferred, the Russians got hit hard by the crisis (in spite of being a fuel exporter IRL, good on that one developers) and ended up opting to invade their old Ottoman enemies to secure their oil fields. What is known about the war is that the Ottomans apparently opted to detonate their own oil fields to prevent the Russians from getting their hands on it (it's never elaborated on what was meant by "detonated" but this map assumes the worst). Another thing mentioned is Operation Watersnake, in which the Russians apparently poisoned the entire nile river and killed most of Egypt in the process.
From this war, we also know that Germany got involved over their Ottoman allies being invaded. We don't know how the war actually turned out, but it's also mentioned that Britain and France took the time to attack Germany again when they were distracted, while it was also implied that the Russians had a lot of nukes compared to Germany, so this map goes with the idea that the Germans lost (although Petrograd and Moscow are explicitly mentioned in the cities that got superbombed). Either way, these wars are what inspire "Project Haven," leading to the creation of the infamous "Safehouses" in the US.
We also know that the US got into wars of it's own, invading Gran Colombia and Mexico. The US becomes a paranoid authoritarian state. Many starve, and things are worse in the commonwealths that aren't deemed "fully American." Funds are diverted to the army, and the security forces often go full mask off in the South or Canada, just straight up massacring rioters and protesters. Suspected rebel activity is clamped down upon heavily, and the Commission for the Preservation of the Union (abolished in 1975) becomes an effective secret police and propaganda force.
In the far East, Japan goes on it's own wars of expansion, having been hit hardest by the resource crunch due to being an island nation. The Japanese launch several invasions of their neighbors, leading to strong paranoia on the American end. The Japanese, seeing large amounts of dissidents across their empire and even on the homefront, end up invading Russian Alaska and the Far East, as well as invading Australia, bringing it into a two front war. To make matters worse, the Japanese launch a major strike against the American pacific fleet in the Sandwich Isles to ensure they wouldn't be a threat (the fleet had been stationed there just in case Japan did anything). We don't know much about the Japanese tech in the games, although we do see some Japanese guns, and the Assaultron robots we encounter in the fourth game are explicitly stated to have been copied from Japanese designs that saw combat in Australia. The Japanese are also mentioned to have a more advanced Navy, but a primitive army at one point. We also know that the Japanese used a lot of deadly chemicals in their wars, but that in the end, American Power Armor would seal the doom of the Empire.
There's also the inferences. India probably fell apart into Civil War rather than dissolve peacefully like IOTL, and the Germans retreating to their colonies is all inferred from me. What we do know is that the Japanese home islands eventually get invaded and this ends up leading to the Great War that leads to the titular Wasteland being formed. At the end, everything was erased to start anew. Gone is the United States of America, and in it's place are Iron Legion, the New California Empire, and it's rival in the Grand Armee.
In the US, we don't get much lore on it, but it's divided into multiple commonwealths in an attempt to break down national ties in the conquered Utah, Confederacy, and Canada while also engaging in general reorganization to make North America as a whole into a united state. These commonwealths serve to increase the authoritarian nature of the US, allowing the federal government to supersede state authority. This system also leads to corruption as some commonwealths are definitely far better regarded than others, while the commonwealths in the ex Confederate, Canadian, and Mormon nations are almost always governed by outsiders whom impose harsher rules. As a result, the United States of the Wasteland world is far more draconian AND far more unstable than in our world.
In the rest of the world, we don't get much beyond vague hints. Brazil is mentioned to be under integralists and the Tsar's Russia undergoes rises and falls. In Europe, the old American ally of Germany federates into Mitteleuropa, but also finds the United States distancing itself from it due to it's foreign policy being based around extreme anti-colonialism, as well as the Germans re-adopting Bismarckian policy on a global stage. At the same time, the US finds itself growing closer to Russia, leading to it becoming stronger, mainly as the US continues to fear Japanese expansion. While it's never made clear if Japan moderated or even saw the progressive faction take power as in our timeline, what is clear is that the Japanese are the main boogeyman to US plans in the pacific.
Eventually, the resource wars would begin. It should be mentioned that as culture stopped in this world, so did tech. Well, tech did advance, it's just that it advanced in a completely different way. This tech looks like the best stuff from 1950s magazines, but it also consumes a lot of Oil. This turns out bad when the world starts to run out. One of the major background wars that is mentioned is the Russo-Turkish war. From what can be inferred, the Russians got hit hard by the crisis (in spite of being a fuel exporter IRL, good on that one developers) and ended up opting to invade their old Ottoman enemies to secure their oil fields. What is known about the war is that the Ottomans apparently opted to detonate their own oil fields to prevent the Russians from getting their hands on it (it's never elaborated on what was meant by "detonated" but this map assumes the worst). Another thing mentioned is Operation Watersnake, in which the Russians apparently poisoned the entire nile river and killed most of Egypt in the process.
From this war, we also know that Germany got involved over their Ottoman allies being invaded. We don't know how the war actually turned out, but it's also mentioned that Britain and France took the time to attack Germany again when they were distracted, while it was also implied that the Russians had a lot of nukes compared to Germany, so this map goes with the idea that the Germans lost (although Petrograd and Moscow are explicitly mentioned in the cities that got superbombed). Either way, these wars are what inspire "Project Haven," leading to the creation of the infamous "Safehouses" in the US.
We also know that the US got into wars of it's own, invading Gran Colombia and Mexico. The US becomes a paranoid authoritarian state. Many starve, and things are worse in the commonwealths that aren't deemed "fully American." Funds are diverted to the army, and the security forces often go full mask off in the South or Canada, just straight up massacring rioters and protesters. Suspected rebel activity is clamped down upon heavily, and the Commission for the Preservation of the Union (abolished in 1975) becomes an effective secret police and propaganda force.
In the far East, Japan goes on it's own wars of expansion, having been hit hardest by the resource crunch due to being an island nation. The Japanese launch several invasions of their neighbors, leading to strong paranoia on the American end. The Japanese, seeing large amounts of dissidents across their empire and even on the homefront, end up invading Russian Alaska and the Far East, as well as invading Australia, bringing it into a two front war. To make matters worse, the Japanese launch a major strike against the American pacific fleet in the Sandwich Isles to ensure they wouldn't be a threat (the fleet had been stationed there just in case Japan did anything). We don't know much about the Japanese tech in the games, although we do see some Japanese guns, and the Assaultron robots we encounter in the fourth game are explicitly stated to have been copied from Japanese designs that saw combat in Australia. The Japanese are also mentioned to have a more advanced Navy, but a primitive army at one point. We also know that the Japanese used a lot of deadly chemicals in their wars, but that in the end, American Power Armor would seal the doom of the Empire.
There's also the inferences. India probably fell apart into Civil War rather than dissolve peacefully like IOTL, and the Germans retreating to their colonies is all inferred from me. What we do know is that the Japanese home islands eventually get invaded and this ends up leading to the Great War that leads to the titular Wasteland being formed. At the end, everything was erased to start anew. Gone is the United States of America, and in it's place are Iron Legion, the New California Empire, and it's rival in the Grand Armee.
I suspect that this must be a Cesare's Legion analog, except they're larping off of Napoleon.
Yeah, Figured it would make for a neat contrast to the more Prussian-looking NCR analog (it takes from TL-191 America, so it's obviously gonna look and act a bit more germanic than the US we're familiar with)
"Prussian NCR"
Definitely is going to be the Midwest State who be the perfect analogy for NCR has they likely have the most Prussian influence and have a lot Germans to hammered at home
Perhaps. I used California to make the analog more obvious. And in-universe, the look would be considered American. So you got folks looking like WW1 German soldiers combined with a more militaristic bend akin to TL 191 America facing off against folks trying to replicate Eighteenth century military uniforms, think the Minutemen from Fallout 4, but less benevolent. They probably even use the same kinda weaponry.
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I wonder you going to make the Map of Post-war destruction of the US soon
Maybe. Not too sure tbh, it would probably look very similar to canon.
Are you going to cover just a mainland US or the whole world as a whole?
What are going to be the Mormon stereotypes in TL191?
Because I'm very doubt that going to be potrayal as "very kind people have good morals" consider the fact that US were fighting a conflict with the moments for 63 years. As well as many Anti-Mormon Sentiment likely remain high in the US military and public as large.
This factor definitely affect the portrayal of the Mormons in popular culture as seen as traitorous rat who nothing more than trouble with the US.
Because I'm very doubt that going to be potrayal as "very kind people have good morals" consider the fact that US were fighting a conflict with the moments for 63 years. As well as many Anti-Mormon Sentiment likely remain high in the US military and public as large.
This factor definitely affect the portrayal of the Mormons in popular culture as seen as traitorous rat who nothing more than trouble with the US.
A screenshot from the popular FGW Squad-Based Multiplayer video game known as Verdun (2015), or has since been known as the FGW Game Series.
Created by the independent game studios of Backmill Games and M2H, Verdun is set on the Western Front of the FGW, letting gamers play different squads on both sides the Entente and Central Powers side such as the German Landser, British Highlanders, and French Chassuers. The game also hosts many different rifles and uniforms, all period correct and corresponding to the different squad types. In 2017, a sequel known as Tannenberg would be released and is set on the Eastern Front, adding Austro-Hungarian, Latvian, Bulgarian, Russian, and Polish squads and new weapons as seen on the Eastern Front. Another sequel, known as Roanoke, was released in September of 2022, being set on the American Front adding more weapons and squads of the Union, Confederate, and Canadian Armies.
A screenshot from the popular FGW Squad-Based Multiplayer video game known as Verdun (2015), or has since been known as the FGW Game Series.
Created by the independent game studios of Backmill Games and M2H, Verdun is set on the Western Front of the FGW, letting gamers play different squads on both sides the Entente and Central Powers side such as the German Landser, British Highlanders, and French Chassuers. The game also hosts many different rifles and uniforms, all period correct and corresponding to the different squad types. In 2017, a sequel known as Tannenberg would be released and is set on the Eastern Front, adding Austro-Hungarian, Latvian, Bulgarian, Russian, and Polish squads and new weapons as seen on the Eastern Front. Another sequel, known as Roanoke, was released in September of 2022, being set on the American Front adding more weapons and squads of the Union, Confederate, and Canadian Armies.