Pop-culture in TL-191

Wonder what the episode Far Beyond the Stars from Star Trek: Deep Space 9 would be like in timeline 191 along with the rest of the series?
Depends if the show as it exists would feel confident enough to tackle the Population reduction. Maybe the white characters aren't racist so much as ignoring the rising tide of the Freedom Party.


Or if the show isn't prestige enough it may simply not exist or be a jokey Holodeck type episode.
 
Wonder what the episode Far Beyond the Stars from Star Trek: Deep Space 9 would be like in timeline 191 along with the rest of the series?
Cardassians talk with a far more southern drawl? (kidding)

I think something like Mister Abbadon's suggestion would be the most likely outcome. Depending on how comfortable the studios or producers felt, they could have it set in the CSA during the era of Featherston before the Population Reduction really takes swing, with the various main cast as the different shade of non-Freedom confederates. Large portions of the plot I imagine could stay the same, with Benny working on a story he hopes will provide enough to help him get his family out of the CS while dealing the racism of the era, with the added tension of people he knows getting disappeared into the Camp system
 
What would Warhammer 40k be like in this TL? All I got is that the Tau may take more from Imperial Japan and the Imperium might take more from Actionist France than Featherston's Confederacy. Alternatively, I can see them taking elements from both the North and South, or just straight up look to the British Empire.

Alternatively, maybe the Imperium takes influence from the Empire of Japan (One of the potential baddies of TL 191's post-war world) while the Tau are a caricature of the US, with a mix of Socialist ideals and Democrat war hawks.
 
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A promotional artwork for the British Animé series Azure Lane, which is about warships of the Second Great War era Royal Navy, Marine Nationale, Kaiserliche Marine, and the United States Navy as well a few over navies that are personified as either adolescent girls or as young adult women with their personality reflecting the history of each vessel, which they have come to be known as fleet girls. Azure Lane would start out back in 2012 originally as a video game, which would soon become a hit, which the franchise would diversify into other media such as graphic novels, comics, trading cards, and in 2015, an animé TV series would be produced which takes the perspective of the destroyer HMS Laforey.
 
How would The Man in the High castle look like? Also not pop culture related but did what did fetherson planned to do the the US if he had won the war?
 
How would The Man in the High castle look like? Also not pop culture related but did what did fetherson planned to do the the US if he had won the war?
Given his historical allegory, he would likely impose some intense measures on the US.
I can foresee him forcing them to return Canada to the UK and give Utah its independence, and massively reduce the size of its military.
 

A promotional artwork for the British Animé series Azure Lane, which is about warships of the Second Great War era Royal Navy, Marine Nationale, Kaiserliche Marine, and the United States Navy as well a few over navies that are personified as either adolescent girls or as young adult women with their personality reflecting the history of each vessel, which they have come to be known as fleet girls. Azure Lane would start out back in 2012 originally as a video game, which would soon become a hit, which the franchise would diversify into other media such as graphic novels, comics, trading cards, and in 2015, an animé TV series would be produced which takes the perspective of the destroyer HMS Laforey.
I can forsee USS Dakota being represented as this angry-looking bully of an older girl, who has a reputation for taking on an entire gang on her own (in representation of her jammed-steering maneuver in the Battle of the Sandwich islands)
 
How would The Man in the High castle look like? Also not pop culture related but did what did fetherson planned to do the the US if he had won the war?
the Setting is 1964.

the United States of America is a distant memory.

South of the historic Mason-Dixon line, the Confederate States of America exists as a White Man's paradise. The American Spirit that gave their armies the courage to break away from the Tyranny of Washington D.C. now ensures the growth of the nation socially and domestically. The former US states of Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico and California have been incorporated into the CSA.

Despite the ideals of President Featherston, whose personal hatred for "Legacied" families and Military officers is well known, Society is stratified: At the top of the social totem pole are the "American Whites," Full Citizens who can trace their legacy back to before the American Revolution. Below them are the 'Confederate Whites" Inherited citizens whose family legacies begin with the War of Secession. Below them are the "Yankee Whites" a class of Whites who, as they historically once lived in the Union or whose ancestors were Unionites, earn citizenship through government or military service that can be passed on to their descendants. In line with them are the "Tejanos" Mexican-Americans who, through the shared struggles the two countries have endured, Have earned "White" status in the CSA's racial profile, and have the same rights as the "Yankees." These citizens often serve the domestic roles once held by blacks, such as farmers, servants, and laborers. At the bottom of the Social status roster are the "Euro Whites" Descendants of European Immigrants who are classified as White Residents, not Citizens, and for whom citizenship is next to impossible to achieve.
"Yankee ideals" of runaway capitalism, acceptance of Immigration and racial tolerance have been expunged from the civilian consciousness through careful education campaigns, and there is little in the way of strife in the nation. The Peace is maintained by the Freedom Party Guards, whose uniformed officers serve as both police and judge in civil and domestic affairs.

The former US government buildings in the ruins of Washington DC have been converted to "Museums of Tyranny" where evidence of Yankee Hypocrisy and tyranny are on display for all to see. The caricature of Teddy Roosevelt has become a public emblem of anti-American ideals and the brutality of the Yankees, with Confederate mothers threatening their children with being handed off to "The Angry man with the Mustache" if they misbehave.

Blacks no longer exist in the CSA. the "Population Reduction" has been an overwhelming success.

North of the Mason-Dixon line, British America funnels goods and raw materials into the British Imperium, who, in this stage, is in the final throes of a climactic war with the reformed Holy Roman Empire, the united governments of Germany, Austria, and France barely holding on in the face of the British onslaught following Edward VII's rise to the Throne in 1948 and his declaration to reclaim Britain's lost territory in France. Ireland and Quebec both faced deep and crushing censure under British rule following the Central Powers defeat in 1943, and were massively depopulated. Under the Martial and Racial Philosophy of "Invicta Britannica" the Belief that Britain and the Anglo-saxons are ordained by God to rule the world, Edward has embarked on a campaign of bloody conquest. Despite these ideals, British America is still the closest thing to a safe haven there is for Blacks in North America, even if it is to live as 2nd or even 3rd class citizens.

In the East, Japan has seized virtually every island between the North American West Coast and the Asian Mainland, and her moves on Australia and New Zealand have put her directly in Edward's gunsights.

meanwhile, an underground resistance of Unionists operating in both zones plots the downfall of their respective regimes, aiding blacks where they can and sabotaging the governments of their oppressors.
 
the Setting is 1964.

the United States of America is a distant memory.

South of the historic Mason-Dixon line, the Confederate States of America exists as a White Man's paradise. The American Spirit that gave their armies the courage to break away from the Tyranny of Washington D.C. now ensures the growth of the nation socially and domestically. The former US states of Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico and California have been incorporated into the CSA.

Despite the ideals of President Featherston, whose personal hatred for "Legacied" families and Military officers is well known, Society is stratified: At the top of the social totem pole are the "American Whites," Full Citizens who can trace their legacy back to before the American Revolution. Below them are the 'Confederate Whites" Inherited citizens whose family legacies begin with the War of Secession. Below them are the "Yankee Whites" a class of Whites who, as they historically once lived in the Union or whose ancestors were Unionites, earn citizenship through government or military service that can be passed on to their descendants. In line with them are the "Tejanos" Mexican-Americans who, through the shared struggles the two countries have endured, Have earned "White" status in the CSA's racial profile, and have the same rights as the "Yankees." These citizens often serve the domestic roles once held by blacks, such as farmers, servants, and laborers. At the bottom of the Social status roster are the "Euro Whites" Descendants of European Immigrants who are classified as White Residents, not Citizens, and for whom citizenship is next to impossible to achieve.
"Yankee ideals" of runaway capitalism, acceptance of Immigration and racial tolerance have been expunged from the civilian consciousness through careful education campaigns, and there is little in the way of strife in the nation. The Peace is maintained by the Freedom Party Guards, whose uniformed officers serve as both police and judge in civil and domestic affairs.

The former US government buildings in the ruins of Washington DC have been converted to "Museums of Tyranny" where evidence of Yankee Hypocrisy and tyranny are on display for all to see. The caricature of Teddy Roosevelt has become a public emblem of anti-American ideals and the brutality of the Yankees, with Confederate mothers threatening their children with being handed off to "The Angry man with the Mustache" if they misbehave.

Blacks no longer exist in the CSA. the "Population Reduction" has been an overwhelming success.

North of the Mason-Dixon line, British America funnels goods and raw materials into the British Imperium, who, in this stage, is in the final throes of a climactic war with the reformed Holy Roman Empire, the united governments of Germany, Austria, and France barely holding on in the face of the British onslaught following Edward VII's rise to the Throne in 1948 and his declaration to reclaim Britain's lost territory in France. Ireland and Quebec both faced deep and crushing censure under British rule following the Central Powers defeat in 1943, and were massively depopulated. Under the Martial and Racial Philosophy of "Invicta Britannica" the Belief that Britain and the Anglo-saxons are ordained by God to rule the world, Edward has embarked on a campaign of bloody conquest. Despite these ideals, British America is still the closest thing to a safe haven there is for Blacks in North America, even if it is to live as 2nd or even 3rd class citizens.

In the East, Japan has seized virtually every island between the North American West Coast and the Asian Mainland, and her moves on Australia and New Zealand have put her directly in Edward's gunsights.

meanwhile, an underground resistance of Unionists operating in both zones plots the downfall of their respective regimes, aiding blacks where they can and sabotaging the governments of their oppressors.
Now that’s a show I would watch. It seem pretty interesting.
 
the Setting is 1964.

the United States of America is a distant memory.

South of the historic Mason-Dixon line, the Confederate States of America exists as a White Man's paradise. The American Spirit that gave their armies the courage to break away from the Tyranny of Washington D.C. now ensures the growth of the nation socially and domestically. The former US states of Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico and California have been incorporated into the CSA.

Despite the ideals of President Featherston, whose personal hatred for "Legacied" families and Military officers is well known, Society is stratified: At the top of the social totem pole are the "American Whites," Full Citizens who can trace their legacy back to before the American Revolution. Below them are the 'Confederate Whites" Inherited citizens whose family legacies begin with the War of Secession. Below them are the "Yankee Whites" a class of Whites who, as they historically once lived in the Union or whose ancestors were Unionites, earn citizenship through government or military service that can be passed on to their descendants. In line with them are the "Tejanos" Mexican-Americans who, through the shared struggles the two countries have endured, Have earned "White" status in the CSA's racial profile, and have the same rights as the "Yankees." These citizens often serve the domestic roles once held by blacks, such as farmers, servants, and laborers. At the bottom of the Social status roster are the "Euro Whites" Descendants of European Immigrants who are classified as White Residents, not Citizens, and for whom citizenship is next to impossible to achieve.
"Yankee ideals" of runaway capitalism, acceptance of Immigration and racial tolerance have been expunged from the civilian consciousness through careful education campaigns, and there is little in the way of strife in the nation. The Peace is maintained by the Freedom Party Guards, whose uniformed officers serve as both police and judge in civil and domestic affairs.

The former US government buildings in the ruins of Washington DC have been converted to "Museums of Tyranny" where evidence of Yankee Hypocrisy and tyranny are on display for all to see. The caricature of Teddy Roosevelt has become a public emblem of anti-American ideals and the brutality of the Yankees, with Confederate mothers threatening their children with being handed off to "The Angry man with the Mustache" if they misbehave.

Blacks no longer exist in the CSA. the "Population Reduction" has been an overwhelming success.

North of the Mason-Dixon line, British America funnels goods and raw materials into the British Imperium, who, in this stage, is in the final throes of a climactic war with the reformed Holy Roman Empire, the united governments of Germany, Austria, and France barely holding on in the face of the British onslaught following Edward VII's rise to the Throne in 1948 and his declaration to reclaim Britain's lost territory in France. Ireland and Quebec both faced deep and crushing censure under British rule following the Central Powers defeat in 1943, and were massively depopulated. Under the Martial and Racial Philosophy of "Invicta Britannica" the Belief that Britain and the Anglo-saxons are ordained by God to rule the world, Edward has embarked on a campaign of bloody conquest. Despite these ideals, British America is still the closest thing to a safe haven there is for Blacks in North America, even if it is to live as 2nd or even 3rd class citizens.

In the East, Japan has seized virtually every island between the North American West Coast and the Asian Mainland, and her moves on Australia and New Zealand have put her directly in Edward's gunsights.

meanwhile, an underground resistance of Unionists operating in both zones plots the downfall of their respective regimes, aiding blacks where they can and sabotaging the governments of their oppressors.
Good stuff! I described my own ideas for a TL 191 Man in the High Castle scenario a while back, although some of it wasn't really serious. And I see that poor Russia got the Italy treatment. I've also got a sudden urge to make a map based on what you described.
 
What about "For All Mankind"?
Even though I don’t think we should assume that every tv show in existence has a TL-191 counterpart, this one actually has some strong plausibility.

In my own head canon, I tend to assume that while space exploration does eventually occur, Germany is the one who fulfills the role of successfully landing on the Moon first. Maybe it was the USA who went into space first, causing the Germans to boost up their space program.

Anyway, since a TL-191 version of For All Mankind is already an alternate-within-an-alternate, perhaps the show focuses on the USA gaining dominance over the Germans in the Space Race.

You may ask, “What’s Japan doing?”
Well, either they’re focusing on exploring the Earth’s own mysteries involving Deep Sea research (my own head canon idea), or they’re also in the Space Race, further increasing the Second Great Game’s reach outside of Earth’s atmosphere.
 
Even though I don’t think we should assume that every tv show in existence has a TL-191 counterpart, this one actually has some strong plausibility.

In my own head canon, I tend to assume that while space exploration does eventually occur, Germany is the one who fulfills the role of successfully landing on the Moon first. Maybe it was the USA who went into space first, causing the Germans to boost up their space program.

Anyway, since a TL-191 version of For All Mankind is already an alternate-within-an-alternate, perhaps the show focuses on the USA gaining dominance over the Germans in the Space Race.

You may ask, “What’s Japan doing?”
Well, either they’re focusing on exploring the Earth’s own mysteries involving Deep Sea research (my own head canon idea), or they’re also in the Space Race, further increasing the Second Great Game’s reach outside of Earth’s atmosphere.
Or maybe "For all mankind" is an Alternate world where Japan joined the Space Race and are making a startling enough amount of progress to frighten the Germans and Americans.
 
I've also got a sudden urge to make a map based on what you described.
Do it! that'd be something to see.
Heck, i could see this being a full-on TL-191 AU setting. Call it "Southern Victory: Invicta Britannica" and have the main protagonists be the new generation of CSA rulers who are starting to wonder if they backed the right horse in GWII.

To add to my concept, and bring up Russia and Italy, Japan, following Russia's economic collapse at the end of the Second Great War, purchased Russia's East coast, particularly Vladivostok and a large portion of Siberia, as well as, by default, securing control over Manchuria and Korea and exerting influence over Mongolia, losses Russia readily accepted as the badly-needed influx of cash allowed the Provisional Government to regain control of "European Russia" amid a series of strikes and riots in her major cities following a major famine in Ukraine, where German-loyalist bandits from the time of the German occupation deliberately sabotaged crops with bioweapons provided by German scientists.

Flush with resources cleaved from their occupations, particularly the discovery of Oil in Manchuria and the mineral riches of Siberia, Japan stands as the unquestioned master of Asia, with territory and vassal states stretching from Siberia to Australia. Pundits on both sides already foresee a "War of Emperors" as Britain and Japan square off over India and the UK's other holdings in Asia and the Pacific.

Italy, meanwhile, has thrown its lot in with the Neo-HRE in a desperate bid to stave off being gobbled up themselves, as the Racial and Religious Extremism of the British leaves the primarily catholic nation with no doubt as to their fate in British Hands. Spain and Portugal likewise join the HRE, the latter invoking a ruthless multi-superbombing of Lisbon for their "Betrayal" of their centuries-old Alliance with Britain. Spain, for its part, sees initial successes, and Gibraltar falls to the HRE after a long and fierce ground and naval battle.
Under the leadership of Kaiser/Holy Roman Emperor Louis-Ferdinand I, who took the throne after the assassination of his brother Wilhelm IV, who himself had to take power after the sudden death of Wilhelm III in 1951, The Neo-Holy Roman Empire was formed as much out of expediency as desperation, and indeed the French King in exile, Charles XII, "rules" from the German city of Bonn, as virtually all of France has fallen to the British Imperium, as has Belgium and the Netherlands. German capital helped keep Austria-Hungary from imploding at the cost of Austria swearing fealty to the Hohenzollern throne, finally achieving, in a bleakly ironic manner, Frederick the Great's desire for Prussia to become the dominant Germanic state and hold the Hapsburgs as vassals.
This internal success does little to change the shape of the war, however: While a mass-superbombing of the sort that annihilated Lisbon is impossible thanks to Germany's own atomic weapons (thus inviting annihilation in kind on Britain should Germany be so attacked) the Sheer Numerical and Material strength offered to the Imperium via her reclaimed colonies and the sheer amount of men and resources coming from Canada and British America has forced the NHRE firmly onto the defensive. Overtures to Russia to lend her manpower to tilt the balance in the NHRE's favor have fallen on deaf ears, as the Kerensky government can barely hold on to power as it is, let along drag Russia into yet ANOTHER war.

British Imperium and Vassal States:
United Kingdom home Islands, including the whole of Ireland.
France up to the borders of the regions of Hauts-De-France, France Est and Bourgogne-Franch-Comte. (these three regions are legally recognized as "France" by the NHRE)
Corsica
Egypt
Palestine
Madagascar
All British, French and Belgian Colonies in Africa
Canada, including the dissolved Republic of Quebec.
US states North of the Mason-Dixon line, including Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, the New England States, Indiana, Ohio, New York, Nebraska, Idaho, Delaware, New Jersey, Montana, Minnesota, Dakota, Oregon and Washington State (incorporated into British Columbia)

(Utah is legally recognized as Deseret, and is basically Neutral ground)
Bahamas
Bermuda
India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Burma are British-held territories, as are Australia and New Zealand. New Guinea is contested between the Imperium and the NHRE.


Allied States:
Confederate States of America
Second Mexican Empire
Republic of Columbia
Republic of Nicaragua
Republic of Honduras
Republic of El Salvador
Republic of Costa Rica
Republic of Belize
Republic of Guatamala
Kingdom of Peru
Republic of Argentina
Kingdom of Bolivia
Kingdom of Paraguay
Kingdom of Uraguay
Republic of Ecuador
Republic of Venezuela
Republic of Guyana
Kingdom of Suriname
French Guiana (Occupied)

Neo-Holy Roman Empire
German Empire and her territories (German West Africa has fallen to the British, but she still holds East Africa and her Pacific holdings)
Austro-Hungarian Empire
Kingdom of Greece
French Empire (including Algeria)
Kingdom of Poland

Allied states
Ottoman Empire (Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia)
Kingdom of Sweden
Republics of Finland, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia
United Kingdoms of Norway and Denmark
Kingdom of Italy (including Tunisia and Libya)
Republic of Spain (including Spanish Morocco)
Republic of Chile
Kingdom of Brazil
Republic of China (mostly nominal, as they have their hands full fighting the Japanese)
United States of America Government in Exile (Several thousand Yankees who fled to Germany with the bulk of the US Navy after the end of GW2)
Republic of Libera (Liberia, Guinea, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Togo, Benin, Burkina and Sierra Leone, Major Democratic state, Conquered by African Americans who fled ahead of the CSA victory in GW2. Largest Naval power in West Africa)
Kingdom of Ethiopia


Japanese Empire
Japanese home islands
Korea
China as far inland as cities of Wuhan and Kunming
Tibet
Nepal
Manchuria
Russia/Siberia as far west as Lake Baikal and as far north as the Arctic Circle
Indochina/Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia
Thailand
Solomon islands
Philippine islands
Taiwan
Malaya
Indonesia

Just to help lay out the map
 
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This does sort of make me wonder: What would the various Second Great War movie tropes be like in TL 191? One I can imagine being "The war was only fought in America, everything else was a side show" at least for North America.
 
This does sort of make me wonder: What would the various Second Great War movie tropes be like in TL 191? One I can imagine being "The war was only fought in America, everything else was a side show" at least for North America.
German Movies might do something along the lines of " The US Navy was totally out of their depth and the Kriegsmarine saved the day in the Atlantic."
 
Im always interested to see the horrible Freedomite Racial Ideology carried out to its logical and extreme limits. Although its clear they operated under the old saying by Huddie Ledbetter their distinction of white good,black bad brown ok-maybe would have been categorized and coded as far as they could if they had won...
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Im always interested to see the horrible Freedomite Racial Ideology carried out to its logical and extreme limits. Although its clear they operated under the old saying by Huddie Ledbetter their distinction of white good,black bad brown ok-maybe would have been categorized and coded as far as they could if they had won...View attachment 579810
I've actually heard a song version of those lines from a History Channel/Discovery Channel documentary many years ago.
 
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