Do the Muppets exist?
Hard to say. Jim Henson was born in Mississippi 1936, moved to Maryland in 1946 and only broke into puppeteering in the 50s when he got a job at a local Washington, D.C. kids show. So many links in the chain that could be broken but when has that stopped TL-191? Would be interesting if a TL-191 retained some of his earlier characters and continued a bit of a darker sense of humour.Do the Muppets exist?
I can't imagine it would be too different in setting: a story by an English Author set in England is perfectly rational.Have we talked about what Harry Potter would look like?
Have we talked about what Harry Potter would look like?
The climax of HP is how a fascist terrorist group manages to infiltrate the upper schellons of society and start a dictatorship in the process to purge undesirables that was fortunately stopped before they could go full-powerI can't imagine it would be too different in setting: a story by an English Author set in England is perfectly rational.
as to actual SUBJECT matter, that's something else. Mind you, we'd be 50+ years removed from the war at this point, so who knows what a post-fascist UK would even tolerate (if they're even post-fascist, i could see Mosleyism under a different name still being in power)
In that context, the UK doubling down on conservatism, religious or otherwise, might not even tolerate a story about magic and wizards.
Right. Which would likely not resonate well in the UK, given who they were Allied with AND who they themselves used to be (and quite possibly still were)The climax of HP is how a fascist terrorist group manages to infiltrate the upper schellons of society and start a dictatorship in the process to purge undesirables that was fortunately stopped before they could go full-power
Swing dancer here. I know some of the history so I'll give this a shot.Has anyone mentioned what happens to the jitterbug or the Charleston and 1920s flapper culture in general OTL?
What would an episode of Star Trek be like in the 191 universe? Well, I think that it might go something like the screen play I've posted at the below blog site.What would star trek be like?
Hey, SpanishSpy. Long time no see.Swing dancer here. I know some of the history so I'll give this a shot.
What I'd imagine would happen to it, much like what I'd imagine what would happen to jazz, is that it'd have a connotation of survival that it doesn't have in our timeline. It becomes hallowed.
There would be far less appreciation of black dance and music by white people, partially because of the border between the two countries preventing much of the OTL Great Migration and as such the loss of the New York scene and the Savoy Ballroom would put a stop to the racial integration that certain scenes became known for.
You do have the antecedents to Blues Dance in the South already; due to the sanctification I mentioned earlier it might not become the rather raunchy dance it's become in OTL, but it's said that southern Blacks were more prudish than southern Whites, so it could still move in that direction. A TL-191 Swing Kids might revolve around one of these blues dancing communities.
Interestingly, this world has no American possession of Cuba so Cuban dances wouldn't make their way to New York, leading to their transformation by Arthur Murray into their American forms (still danced today) and their grouping with waltz, east coast swing, and a few others to form what we call 'ballroom dance.' In particular you wouldn't see the transformation of the urban black Lindy Hop (a descendant of Charleston, and which in TL-191 would have a different name) into East Coast Swing, designed to be easily teachable and more palatable to middle-class whites.
The podcast we're hashing through - our next big episode is being recorded in late September.Hey, SpanishSpy. Long time no see.
How's that Radioshow podcast? Is it still active?
Anyway, this is one of my favorite things that I keep finding out about the TL-191 Universe: It's more than just history being changed; the culture, music, entertainment industry, Science & Technology, etc. is deeply affected by a southern victory.
A few posters on have tried to come up with their version of how dance and music might be from the past few years. The last time I checked, one guy wrote that the near extinction of Jazz may have allowed Latin American music to fill that mostly empty space. Without a strong foundation of Jazz, Rock n' Roll and its derivatives may not develop as well as it did in real-life.
I tend to argue that Electronic music, such as Europop, may become more mainstream, compared to OTL.