Pop-culture in TL-191

Right it wouldn't be Featherston , which brings up another interesting question, in a world where the CS isn't crushed in a second great war, who might succeed Featherston ?
I don't think it would be his vice Pres, who IIRC was Jewish, I cant see the CS electing a Jewish president but then stranger things have happened in RL.
Don Partridge (a parallel of Dan Quayle, apparently) was Vice President but he was very much a lightweight and described as "a nobody". He's not going to succeed Featherston (he's also not Jewish, thought I'd mention that as well - you might be thinking of Saul Goldman?).

If I had to bet on someone succeeding him, I'd say someone like Ferdinand Koenig (he's described as being the second-in-command of the Freedom Party) or Jefferson Pinkard. Herbert Walker, the Confederate Secretary of State, is also possible. Same with CS Senator Richard Russell, who's described as a staunch supporter of the Freedom Party.
 
Right it wouldn't be Featherston , which brings up another interesting question, in a world where the CS isn't crushed in a second great war, who might succeed Featherston ?
I don't think it would be his vice Pres, who IIRC was Jewish, I cant see the CS electing a Jewish president but then stranger things have happened in RL.
I think you are thinking of Saul Goldman who was the CSA Propaganda chief and Jewish. He was a contemporary of Featherston. Featherston's VP was actually Don Partridge who is meant to represent Dan Quayle-get it :) Like all dictators there would be a good chance that Featherston wouldnt want to put anyone into place who could effectively replace him.Suffice it to say it would probably be someone who had been raised in the Freedomite ideology since childhood or young adolensence so in other words a true believer and likely horrible individual...
 
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Don Partridge (a parallel of Dan Quayle, apparently) was Vice President but he was very much a lightweight and described as "a nobody". He's not going to succeed Featherston (he's also not Jewish, thought I'd mention that as well - you might be thinking of Saul Goldman?).

If I had to bet on someone succeeding him, I'd say someone like Ferdinand Koenig (he's described as being the second-in-command of the Freedom Party) or Jefferson Pinkard. Herbert Walker, the Confederate Secretary of State, is also possible. Same with CS Senator Richard Russell, who's described as a staunch supporter of the Freedom Party.
I think you are thinking of Saul Goldman who was the CSA Propaganda chief and Jewish. He was a contemporary of Featherston. Featherston's VP was actually Don Partridge who is meant to represent Dan Quayle-get it :) Like all dictators there would be a good chance that Featherston wouldnt want to put anyone into place who could effectively replace him.Suffice it to say it would probably be somone who had been raised in the Freedomite ideology since childhood or young adolensence so in other words a true believer and likely horrible individual...
Right I was thinking Goldman the Propaganda Minister or Chief of Propaganda or whatever the Rebs called it.
I agree Featherston successor would be incompetent but maybe not as evil? Still evil though.
 
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One of the most long-running animes, Lupin III is the result of collaboration between Britain, France and Quebec, dating from 1971. Described as a mix of Arsene Lupin, Waldemar Fegelein's Simon Gruber films, and the Belgian Tintin comics, it features gentleman thief Lupin III (the grandson of Arsene Lupin), his accomplices David Jiggen and master samurai Goemon Ishikawa XIII, and on-off love interest Felicité Miné (an expy of the various girls Simon Gruber would end up sleeping with, constantly being pursued on their globetrotting adventures by Interpol officer Inspector Zebulon, who they are sometimes forced to team up with to defeat worse enemies (the first instance being the 1978 film Cagliostro's Castle, but extending in the series to neo-Freedomites, Irish crime lords and die-hard actionists, among others (who often try and invoke the supernatural.)
 
Right I was thinking Goldman the Propaganda Minister or Chief of Propaganda or whatever the Rebs called it.
I agree Featherston successor would be incompetent but maybe not as evil? Still evil though.
If you want someone "incompetent" but not as evil, then maybe Herbert Walker (the CS Secretary of State) would be a good choice.
 
Klingons are more obviously space Japanese earlier then a soviet allegory like OTL for one thing. The Nazi planet episode equivalent probably either never gets made or is far less kind to it’s portrayal of such totalitarian society.

Would be cool if the captain of the ship on the show was a black man. I’m also enamoured by the idea ofthe shows Spock and McCoy being swapped, with the passionate southorn man as ships science and thelogical alien as it’s doctor
What famous episodes would there be ITTL?
 
What famous episodes would there be ITTL?
"The Troubles of Truubles" the Ship is almost overrun by seemingly innocuous Fuzzy creatures who breed uncontrollably.
"The Duality of Man" The Captain is split into two men, one who is rash and impulsive and the other who is so timid he cannot command the ship.
"the Scales of Fear" Introducing the Romunian race, a study on both psychological warfare as the Romunian stealth fields make them akin to submarines in space, and on the character of soldiers vs. their ideologies they fight for.
"On the Fields of Forever" the Bridge Crew is teleported back in time to 1862, and has a chance to prevent the Union's Loss at the Battle of Camp Hill, but is struck by the moral question of if they have the right to change history.
"The Mirror Image" the Crew confront sinister versions of themselves from a universe where the CSA won the Second Great War and imposed Freedomism on the world.
"End of Days" a study on the long-term ramifications of Superbombs and their effects as a planet-killer runs wild.
"Patterns of Force" One of the most famous episodes of the series, the Crew discovers a planet overrun by a neo-Freedom Party government, down to the uniforms, flags and emblems, and must discover what has occurred.
 
Famous 2nd Great War Films

Movies:
"The Longest Day" (1962) a Film Dramatizing the beginning of them Battle of Chattanooga, one of the most crucial battles of the Second Great War. Notable Actors include James Wayne as Irving Morrell, Richard Ryan as George Patton, Clynt Westwood as Rick Winters of the 101st Airborne, and Hank Fonda as Micheal Pound, as well as the film debut of John Earl Jones as the fictional Black Guerilla Leader Lycurgus, who was intended to represent the collective efforts of Black Guerillas against the CSA.
Jones in particular took the role seriously as he himself was part of a guerilla band as a child in Mississippi, managing to flee into the swamps when his parents were taken away by the Freedom Party.
On the technical side, the film was praised by the military historical crowd for use of actual CSA Barrels and aircraft, including a pair of Hughes "Hound Dog" fighters restored by the US Air Force Museum.

"In the Presence of Mine Enemies" (1963) a Naval drama about the Second Pacific War, notable for being the first collaboration between US and Japanese film studios. the portrayal of the war from both US and Japanese perspectives was something previously unseen in Hollywood, and was part of the smoothing of US-Japanese relations in the 1950's and 60's.
Notable Actors include Dirk Douglas as Admiral Spruance, Robert Mitchum as Admiral Halsey, and Japanese Actor Toshiro Mifune as Admiral Yamamoto.

"The Grand Escape" (1963)
A dramatization based on the mass breakout from Andersonville following a tornado strike in 1942, of which Johnathan Moss was a part. Recalled for its well-recognized theme song and the acting of Stone McQueen, who played the fictional character of "Hank" and was one of the most dogged of the escapees.

"On Wings of Steel" (1965)
A fictional tale of a US Commando raid deep into the CSA to rescue a captured General being held at the "Steel Plantation" a well-defended CSA facility full of Freedom Party Guards. But the FPG's may be the least of the squad's worries: there's a spy in their midst!
Clynt Westwood plays the role of the Unit's leader, while Quebecois Actor Gratien Gelinas stars as "Lieutenant Schmidt."
 
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"The Troubles of Truubles" the Ship is almost overrun by seemingly innocuous Fuzzy creatures who breed uncontrollably.
"The Duality of Man" The Captain is split into two men, one who is rash and impulsive and the other who is so timid he cannot command the ship.
"the Scales of Fear" Introducing the Romunian race, a study on both psychological warfare as the Romunian stealth fields make them akin to submarines in space, and on the character of soldiers vs. their ideologies they fight for.
"On the Fields of Forever" the Bridge Crew is teleported back in time to 1862, and has a chance to prevent the Union's Loss at the Battle of Camp Hill, but is struck by the moral question of if they have the right to change history.
"The Mirror Image" the Crew confront sinister versions of themselves from a universe where the CSA won the Second Great War and imposed Freedomism on the world.
"End of Days" a study on the long-term ramifications of Superbombs and their effects as a planet-killer runs wild.
"Patterns of Force" One of the most famous episodes of the series, the Crew discovers a planet overrun by a neo-Freedom Party government, down to the uniforms, flags and emblems, and must discover what has occurred.
TL-191 Patterns of Force would probably be faaaaar less kind to the John Gill character, likely making him either a striaght up Freedomite or someone tortured into giving up info on the CSA and Freedom Party to the Ekos
I want to imagine 191 Romulans being called Remans, because the timeline is just that goofy sometimes.

Some other 191 Trek episodes
To Catch The Conscience - a actor aboard the Enterprise my be a wanted war criminal and only the captain can help identify them. Inspired by the continued hunt and capturing of Confederate War Criminals
The Squire of Gothos - An advanced alien with a taste of earth military history has trapped the ship and wishes to see the crew fight. A very similar episode to otl but Trelane having a distinctly more Prussian or early colonial American flare to them
The Omega Mercy - Starfleet and the Klingons compete to arm and influence a primitive alien world. A mash-up of Errand of Mercy and Omega glory, and first appearance of the very Japanese inspired Klingons.
A Final Battlefield - Two aliens for whom inter-racial hatred has destroyed their species. The allegory is even more blatant here then olt
 
I could imagine a Khan Noonien Singh type character in tl191 being English, French or Russian from a world where the eugenic supermen came to power in the Entente countries...
 
I could imagine a Khan Noonien Singh type character in tl191 being English, French or Russian from a world where the eugenic supermen came to power in the Entente countries...
That or a straight up African. Britain leaving India was relatively recent when OTL Star Trek aired, so a Sub-Saharan Superhuman Empire might be the route they go.
 
The issue with that is tracing what heroes would be like in TL-191. Superman is mentioned in the books but Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, and the others are a too difficult to pin down.
A few of DC's older heroes like Batman, the original Flash and Green Lanterns, Hawkman Justice Society of America, etc all came out in a relatively short window of time, so it's possible for them to be well established in the 191-verse before the 2nd Great War, and with their more urban crimefighting focus, probably very similar to otl. Marvel suffers from a more fragmented beginning, with many of its more popular heroes not being created till during or long after the WW2. The first publication of Captain America would barely slip in a month or so before the start of the Second Great War. It's possible a 191 Marvel is likely still going to Timely Comics and focus on its earlier catalogue of works like The Human Torch, Namor and maybe Captain America (Colonel Union perhaps?)
 
A few of DC's older heroes like Batman, the original Flash and Green Lanterns, Hawkman Justice Society of America, etc all came out in a relatively short window of time, so it's possible for them to be well established in the 191-verse before the 2nd Great War, and with their more urban crimefighting focus, probably very similar to otl. Marvel suffers from a more fragmented beginning, with many of its more popular heroes not being created till during or long after the WW2. The first publication of Captain America would barely slip in a month or so before the start of the Second Great War. It's possible a 191 Marvel is likely still going to Timely Comics and focus on its earlier catalogue of works like The Human Torch, Namor and maybe Captain America (Colonel Union perhaps?)
For Captain America I've seen people try to account for "America" being divided and The US having a more socialistic culture with him being Sergeant Liberty or Colonel Columbia.
 
but Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, and the others are a too difficult to pin down.
I wrote a post on the 'Photos of Featherston's Confederacy' in which I made the impression that propaganda comics in TL-191 were a lot more visceral and liberal in their depictions of war, using my version of Captain America as an example.
 
I wrote a post on the 'Photos of Featherston's Confederacy' in which I made the impression that propaganda comics in TL-191 were a lot more visceral and liberal in their depictions of war, using my version of Captain America as an example.
IIRC Clarence Potter mused on CSA Superhero "Ultraman" in contrast to "Superman" and mentioned that the CSA hero had wrecked NYC, Philly and other US cities.
 
I’m wondering, how will hearts of iron mods develop TTL? Thinking of doing a write up on a alt-TNO set in tl191 soon on this thread or the photos thread
 
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